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you're listening to psychologies outer

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limits with your host professor of

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psychology eric r williams good

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afternoon and all the times of day and

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night in between welcome to psychologies

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outer limits i am your host professor

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eric williams and we are broadcasting

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via the inception radio network com the

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best online network that you can get we

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the chat room if you go to inception

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have the chat room up right now I see

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brain radio @ gmail.com so tonight's

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show will be split a bit in half we have

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the program we're going to bring on mark

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calm and they're on the same network

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around seven thirty or so about a half

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hour into the show alrighty so if you're

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ready I'm ready and let's you know let's

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jump into it I hope everybody's having a

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good weekend it's hot here it got up to

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want to start with news interesting

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things from the world of psychology and

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this across several shows I'd like to

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talk about interpersonal attraction

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romantic attraction and friendships but

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archives so you can fill archives for

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thanks for that MJ now I lost my train

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of thought but I don't know I'm older

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track so well anymore anyway let's look

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at let's look at some of the cool news

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this one really jumped out to me because

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there used to be this really weird

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relationship back in the 70s there was a

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the radio and internet all the time you

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causes B and that that's not true you

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chance of alcoholism that was out wild

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or what so first they show a blue I a

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a blue but does anybody on the chatroom

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want to guess which of those four I

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colors have a higher chance of becoming

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an alcoholic is it green is it blue is

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it brown is it hazel any guesses or is

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anybody want to call in a wait and come

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on folks I see all again the chat room

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you can't all be all watching TV or

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doing something okay i'm jay says brown

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just live radio I stole that line from

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somebody else okay anyway the color is

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blue raise your hand if you got blue

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eyes and put that drink down it's only

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going to lead the trouble so in fact

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would be important blue sea blue isn't

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really a color when you sort of don't

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mix greens complicated I've got a 20 or

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30 page book on my shelf that does

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global tribe on all the intermarrying is

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that we're losing people with pure green

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of the green pools a poor MJ so he's got

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that one all right so anyway isn't that

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all so that is interesting that's one

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anything alright let's move on to our

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next little bit of excitement this one

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thought I think you're more anxious than

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anything and your anxiety disorder wears

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you down and you become depressed but I

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be addictive and they don't want to give

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it to their patients so they give them

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antidepressants but this article is

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called the new compounds that could

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treat depression in 24 hours well the

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reason it could treat Direction 24 hours

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valium and klonopin and Adam and all

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those they work really fast 20 or 30

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minutes and they certainly improve your

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to eight weeks to work and they only

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work for half the people so you could

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get eight weeks into this and it doesn't

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work so you try another antidepressant

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and my gosh it could be three or four

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one that works and of course almost at a

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medicine that works you're kind of

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better anyway but anyway the reason this

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interests me is that the drugs that

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they're working on work with gaba and

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gabby is your brains own version of you

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but the GABA is kind of like the you

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know your brains way of making valium or

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xanax is kind of a brake pedal for the

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brain so these drugs like xanax and

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they are GABA agony

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new these new drugs are GABA and the

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antidepressants work with serotonin so

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work and you know gosh on an empty

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an empty stomach let's say you hadn't

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milligram valium and you shoot it up and

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let it under you let it set under your

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tongue for a minute or so and i'll

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probably start working in 10 minutes I

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mean these are fast-acting drugs so I

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find this very exciting because I've

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worked with a lot of people with

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depression and it is an awful disorder

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and it is the collateral damage that it

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does you know that does the most damage

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of people can't get out of bed there

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they lose their relationships they lose

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their jobs they lose their homes you

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know a lot of what we do in therapy is

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just try to prevent the collateral

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damage and hope that the medicine kicks

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in soon anyways is a very exciting

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development and if we combine this with

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the research is being done right now

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where you essentially put your head but

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induces an electromagnetic current or

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wave at the very precise point in the

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brain do you want it the people get

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relief from depression pretty rapidly

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but that's still in early stages but I

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try to keep up with that and I have a

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he was using it for OCD he was out there

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he had 12 sessions of this I mean these

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machines cost like the other like a

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million dollars or more but it helped he

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felt about 75% better analog hole asks

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possible to medication such as a tax

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that event can burn out the neuro

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sceptred and while the receptor sites

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causing negative long-term effects

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receptor sites are designed for a

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certain on the interaction so if you

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pound them you you could damage them

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that's not the usual outcome I mean my

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mother had panic disorder with

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agoraphobia she took low doses of the

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five milligrams a day of valium for

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probably 20 or more years without any

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problems at all but if you are taking

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really high doses yeah I could see how

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the receptor sites could could be

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damaged but I'm I I can't prove that

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that's just my thought excellent

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question though by the way if you call

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into the show today I have for you a

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it's one of those little things you can

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plug a phone or a tablet to recharge it

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i think it's seven eight hundred

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milliamps it's worth about 40 bucks ah

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it would charge most phones three or

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four times maybe more and it would

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charge a tablet at least once so all you

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got to do is call into the show for any

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reason you can call on the show and tell

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me i suck and I will still mail this off

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to you so that's that's our prize today

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and it's made by Sunbeam thoughts

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Sunbeam made mixers oh well anyway let

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me give you the phone number again here

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just so we can uh you can call it a win

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your prize it's 88 89 19 to 35 50 k 8 8

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8 9 192 355 and I will zip off this this

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battery backup thing for you it's not

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very big really I'm trying to think how

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big it is oh well about two inches three

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inches by 4 inches I keep up this one's

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a 78 or 7.8 amps I keep a 16 and point

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in my car and it's really not that big

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it is wonderful when your phone's dying

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or your tablet on you plug this thing in

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and you are good to go okay uh here's an

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interesting one okay this is about

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strippers yes how'd the little children

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cover their ears okay researchers find

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men well says researcher finds men strip

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for self-esteem boost I don't know why

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do you strip I don't know if you're in

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the chat room and you strip or you're a

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male stripper and you want to call it I

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would be interested I personally have

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never been a stripper sound and it turns

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out that in reading the story it turns

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out that men don't make very much money

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stripping anyway a new study from the

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University of Colorado Denver finds the

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male exotic dancers or strippers remain

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committed to stripping because it

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enhances their self-concept this is

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really neat because stripping as a

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stigmatizing occupation meaning that

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people don't think much of strippers it

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has a capacity to negative to negatively

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affect exotic dancer self definitions

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the researcher said I looked into what

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motivates men to continue dancing and

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found that stripping led the feelings of

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mattering meaning that they felt good

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they mattered mastery and enhanced

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self-esteem in American strip clubs the

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researcher was a female here is an

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interesting thing she found that unlike

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many male female female strippers a

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report that it is the money that it

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motivates them to remain involved in

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stripping male strippers continue to

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dance because they experience higher

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self-esteem and self-confidence so if

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you've got the body for guys I don't

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know and you're not feeling so good

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about yourself find yourself a local

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ladies night club and get naked and then

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call him the show the article continues

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in fact while the majority of men

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interviewed said they became strippers

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from money few earned more than one

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hundred dollars per shift I don't know

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how long a shift is but I'm guessing

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it's a few hours I mean if you can't do

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it for eight hours substantially less

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than female dancers in the same Club

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instead the researcher found that men

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continue to strip because it made them

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desirable and feel good about themselves

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skulls suggests these gender gender

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differences are due to the fact that men

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and women described different meanings

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to the objectification they experienced

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while stripping female dancers may be

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more inclined to define sexual

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objectification is negative because as

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women they express

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it's it more frequently and often than

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not such a nice way males on the other

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hand enjoy being objectified by the

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audience members skull found they did

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not define objectification with

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disempowerment course they're males yeah

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nothing better than being a male right

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and in our society did nothing better

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than being a white male because we're

383
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still not as good as we could be anyway

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is that neat or what but you know not

385
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everybody can strip I don't know if you

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have to look quite as good as one of

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those guys on the calendar what a

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beefcake er no what's the name of that

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calendar for women is a beefcake no

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that's not think of it maybe hello

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number those okay you folks might have

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heard of this one this news story but I

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just wanted to bring it up briefly there

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was this guy that had a root canal done

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and I can you know I can identify

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because two weeks ago I had two root

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canals done but i can tell you I at no

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time during the root canal that I

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experienced any pain I had a great

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dentist I didn't experience the

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injections nothing it was wonderful

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anyway this guy goes in to get a root

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canal and after the root canal they find

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that he is no longer able to create new

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long-term memories now this was

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published in an academic journal called

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neuro case it is let me see here I want

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to find this the case revolves around a

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38 year old male from the United Kingdom

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who went to the dentist for a routine

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procedure in this case is a root canal

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and lost the ability to create new

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memories since the one arrow root canal

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treatment during which he was given a

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local anesthetic the man cannot remember

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anything beyond 90 minutes it's like you

417
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know a groundhog day or 50 first dates

418
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you know and I've been thinking about

419
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this this week what is the connection

420
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because you know the part of your brain

421
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that mediates this that allows you to

422
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create long-term memories is called the

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hippocampus and it's talked pretty

424
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deeply in there but you know our are the

425
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nerves in our face and

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go they actually split in half that's

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why you can that's why you can numb half

428
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your face the nerves come from for the

429
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lack of better words it comes like from

430
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your ears to the middle your face and

431
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turn around and come back again so if

432
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your dentist puts novocaine or some

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other cane on the left side of your face

434
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it doesn't spread to the right side but

435
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something happen here that absolutely

436
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wiped out this guy's ability to make new

437
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long-term memories now he retains his

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old memories the article says he is

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fully aware of his identity and his

440
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personality did not change but every day

441
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the man thinks it is the day of his

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dental appointment he asked to manage

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his life to an electronic diary and

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access the prompts that can you imagine

445
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that every day you wake up I mean you

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know it'd be bad enough to wake up and

447
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every day is the same day right but

448
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every day is your root canal it's like

449
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waking up every day and saying oh that's

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right today's day I'm going to be

451
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executed or something poor guy I doubt

452
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there's a fix for that but if I find

453
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that if I find updates i'll certainly

454
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keep you updated let me remind you that

455
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the phone number is 8 8 8 9 192 355 you

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mean there's nobody out there that wants

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a free battery of backup for their

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phones and their tablets and all that

459
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stuff all right anyway 88 89 192 355

460
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let's get back on with the news here i'm

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trying to sell if i want to do that i'd

462
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only have eight minutes shoot okay let's

463
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jump into our topic for this evening

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which is interpersonal attraction you

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know what will you would be surprised to

466
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sign with us I mean this is fascinating

467
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stuff please fit this chapter in one of

468
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my classes and and I was telling my

469
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students I think we're going to cover

470
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this on the under on the radio I think

471
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it's cool first of all this is really

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important we are wired as people now

473
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there's always exceptions remember that

474
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some people are very happy being alone

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but we're talking about the

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vast majority of people the absence of

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the meaningful relationship generally

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generally makes people feel lonely

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worthless hopeless helpless powerless

480
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and alienated you know we're wired to

481
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pair bond and if we don't pair bond we

482
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don't make children if we'd all make

483
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children then the species goes away so

484
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that's it you know that's an important

485
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thing to consider now one of the most

486
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important determinants of whether we're

487
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attracted or not it's called it's just

488
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proximity it's called propinquity and

489
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it's due to something called the mere

490
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exposure effect meaning just being close

491
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to somebody makes you physically close

492
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increases the possibility of attraction

493
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in one study they did of next-door

494
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neighbors that you know it's kind of

495
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like a townhouse row that I man there's

496
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like eight neighbors okay people

497
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forty-one percent of people said that

498
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their next door neighbor they were close

499
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friends too okay if someone lived two

500
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doors down only twenty-two percent

501
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considered those people friends and

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people that live at the opposite end of

503
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the hall or a townhouse only ten percent

504
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isn't that amazing that's the mere

505
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exposure effect you're going to be more

506
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exposed to your next-door neighbor you

507
00:23:54,980 --> 00:23:53,430
know and it works here I mean I know my

508
00:23:57,170 --> 00:23:54,990
number one next door neighbor really

509
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well I don't even think I know the name

510
00:24:01,220 --> 00:23:59,760
of the person who lives a doors down but

511
00:24:04,010 --> 00:24:01,230
I swore to know something about the

512
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:04,020
people in the middle of the block so

513
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that's the mere exposure effect I think

514
00:24:16,130 --> 00:24:13,080
that's really cool okay so similarity is

515
00:24:18,260 --> 00:24:16,140
important you know we do hear that

516
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opposites attract and sometimes they do

517
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but it doesn't last long because just

518
00:24:25,790 --> 00:24:23,100
think about it if you're opposites

519
00:24:27,410 --> 00:24:25,800
there's going to be problems let's say

520
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you're you know kind of the quiet

521
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:30,240
stay-at-home type and you meet someone

522
00:24:33,740 --> 00:24:32,250
do at first is really exciting you know

523
00:24:36,050 --> 00:24:33,750
this person wants to go out every

524
00:24:37,340 --> 00:24:36,060
weekend and do stuff and but after a

525
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:37,350
while you're more like you know I kind

526
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:39,450
of want to stay home and they're well I

527
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:41,250
want to go out and raise some hell so

528
00:24:45,170 --> 00:24:44,520
somebody's going to be unhappy what

529
00:24:47,570 --> 00:24:45,180
attracts

530
00:24:50,120 --> 00:24:47,580
similarity the greater the similarity

531
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,130
the more liking and this is a cross you

532
00:24:55,850 --> 00:24:51,840
know any kind of variable you want to

533
00:24:58,060 --> 00:24:55,860
think about demographics you know how

534
00:25:02,030 --> 00:24:58,070
much money you make attitudes values

535
00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:02,040
race I hate to say it but even how the

536
00:25:08,570 --> 00:25:04,740
other person looks you know most couples

537
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:08,580
if we could have a scale of beauty you

538
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:10,170
know so let's say on a scale of one to

539
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ten a person's beauty is Evan well

540
00:25:18,290 --> 00:25:15,930
they're more likely to be attracted to

541
00:25:20,390 --> 00:25:18,300
another person that's a seven and again

542
00:25:22,490 --> 00:25:20,400
there's always exceptions i know that

543
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:22,500
once in a while you see a guy that looks

544
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:24,890
like an absolute troll and he's with a

545
00:25:29,810 --> 00:25:28,050
you know someone that looks like a model

546
00:25:31,790 --> 00:25:29,820
there's always going to be exceptions of

547
00:25:33,650 --> 00:25:31,800
course there's exceptions but we're

548
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:33,660
interested in what you know works you

549
00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:36,690
know what works the most so similarities

550
00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:38,340
and interest similarities that

551
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:41,370
experience exposure those are those are

552
00:25:48,770 --> 00:25:46,620
really big deals now offer you know for

553
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:48,780
committed relationships it's really

554
00:25:52,850 --> 00:25:50,640
important to choose a very similar

555
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:52,860
partner if you want to end up with this

556
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:55,170
person for a long time now here's

557
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,210
something interesting perceived

558
00:26:03,020 --> 00:25:59,520
similarity is more important than actual

559
00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:03,030
similarity you know you might just think

560
00:26:07,730 --> 00:26:05,190
that your partner feels a certain way

561
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:07,740
about something and as long as you

562
00:26:13,780 --> 00:26:10,110
perceive that similarity it happens the

563
00:26:16,820 --> 00:26:13,790
count now for lower levels of commitment

564
00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:16,830
we can choose dissimilar partners you

565
00:26:21,530 --> 00:26:18,620
know if you're having a fling or

566
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:21,540
something my students talk about friends

567
00:26:25,670 --> 00:26:23,340
with benefits some of them pretty are

568
00:26:27,170 --> 00:26:25,680
pretty open about that they have they

569
00:26:28,430 --> 00:26:27,180
have roommates they have friends that

570
00:26:30,260 --> 00:26:28,440
the only thing that they do with this

571
00:26:32,660 --> 00:26:30,270
person is have sex there's no romance

572
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:32,670
you know there's nothing in that case

573
00:26:38,450 --> 00:26:36,210
similarity wouldn't be important here's

574
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:38,460
a big surprise we like people who like

575
00:26:44,660 --> 00:26:42,000
us that's called reciprocal liking for

576
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:44,670
initial attraction reciprocal liking can

577
00:26:50,120 --> 00:26:47,760
overcome some distant dissimilarities

578
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:50,130
what I'm telling you the least similar

579
00:26:54,230 --> 00:26:52,080
you are to someone the less likely you

580
00:26:57,170 --> 00:26:54,240
are to have a long-term relationship and

581
00:26:58,520 --> 00:26:57,180
the less likely it is you know to be

582
00:26:59,480 --> 00:26:58,530
successful now

583
00:27:01,910 --> 00:26:59,490
what do you know about a person

584
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:01,920
initially when you first meet them you

585
00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:03,360
know I mean you might know something

586
00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:05,070
that someone else told you about them

587
00:27:08,740 --> 00:27:06,540
but really what you know is what they

588
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:08,750
look like so at least in the beginning

589
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:11,370
physical attraction physical

590
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:13,050
attractiveness does play a role in

591
00:27:17,630 --> 00:27:15,930
liking and that makes sense I tend to

592
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:17,640
think and I don't have any evidence for

593
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:19,290
this but I tend to think that's kind of

594
00:27:23,540 --> 00:27:22,170
an age-related thing I think as we get

595
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:23,550
older we get smarter and we know that

596
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:26,250
that the cover of the cover of a book

597
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:27,930
you know isn't going to tell you about

598
00:27:36,410 --> 00:27:33,120
what's inside now men are more likely

599
00:27:38,570 --> 00:27:36,420
than women to find a physical

600
00:27:41,410 --> 00:27:38,580
attractiveness important women are more

601
00:27:44,210 --> 00:27:41,420
likely to look at you know it had other

602
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:44,220
variables but as but as long as we're

603
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:46,530
talking about attractiveness here's

604
00:27:50,390 --> 00:27:48,570
something we do in society which to me

605
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:50,400
is because it's kind of interesting

606
00:27:59,780 --> 00:27:54,090
here's what we find attractive ok and a

607
00:28:02,020 --> 00:27:59,790
female face large if you guys are

608
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:02,030
sitting there with your female partners

609
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:04,650
you know take a look at or according

610
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:06,810
your eye and see how she does here hi

611
00:28:12,650 --> 00:28:08,700
attractiveness ratings are associated

612
00:28:15,620 --> 00:28:12,660
with large eyes small nose small chin

613
00:28:17,930 --> 00:28:15,630
and prominent cheekbones and when we

614
00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:17,940
talked about this in class I just google

615
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:20,130
just randomly models and brought a few

616
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:22,410
models up on the screen and they had

617
00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:24,510
these characteristics they had large

618
00:28:34,150 --> 00:28:27,390
eyes small nose mulch in prominent

619
00:28:38,210 --> 00:28:34,160
cheekbones ok now we go here let's see

620
00:28:41,170 --> 00:28:38,220
also let's see now what do women like

621
00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:41,180
well women also like large eyes and

622
00:28:50,690 --> 00:28:44,790
promise she combs they like a large chin

623
00:28:52,370 --> 00:28:50,700
and they like a big smile okay so take a

624
00:28:54,050 --> 00:28:52,380
look at the mere guys and see how you're

625
00:28:58,030 --> 00:28:54,060
doing large eyes prominent cheekbones

626
00:29:01,670 --> 00:28:58,040
large chain big smile both sexes like

627
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:01,680
people who smile you won't you will

628
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:05,940
definitely increase you know how how

629
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:08,370
likable you are if you have a nice a

630
00:29:12,290 --> 00:29:11,760
nice smile you know a bigger smile is

631
00:29:15,260 --> 00:29:12,300
better

632
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:15,270
but I just just smile often and you know

633
00:29:19,910 --> 00:29:17,400
face so facial attractiveness is

634
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:19,920
perceived pretty similarly across

635
00:29:24,890 --> 00:29:22,650
cultures and I think it's symmetries

636
00:29:27,170 --> 00:29:24,900
preferred if it's taken a mirror and

637
00:29:29,390 --> 00:29:27,180
held it up to your face and looked on

638
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:29,400
one side so that your face was perfectly

639
00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:31,050
symmetrical you may not recognize

640
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,110
yourself but look at the beauty models

641
00:29:42,290 --> 00:29:37,440
their faces are very very symmetrical

642
00:29:44,780 --> 00:29:42,300
okay for most of us average phases are

643
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:44,790
preferred not the extremes and I think

644
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:47,640
what they mean by that is that you know

645
00:29:53,810 --> 00:29:51,210
we if we don't like the real exotic

646
00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:53,820
stuff you know and again most of us are

647
00:30:02,180 --> 00:29:55,560
kind of average so we're going to like

648
00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:02,190
average let's see so anyway familiarity

649
00:30:06,710 --> 00:30:04,920
is is a very crucial variable for

650
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:06,720
interpersonal attraction it may be the

651
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:12,210
most crucial and people prefer you know

652
00:30:17,270 --> 00:30:14,700
faces that resemble their own all right

653
00:30:20,090 --> 00:30:17,280
anyway this is a I don't want to take

654
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:20,100
this topic into next week I want to talk

655
00:30:24,380 --> 00:30:22,530
about it some more we'll get some more

656
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:24,390
interesting things but right now we need

657
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:26,130
to we need to take a short break and

658
00:30:30,650 --> 00:30:27,570
then when we come back we're going to

659
00:30:32,270 --> 00:30:30,660
have mark Schwartz and art web from

660
00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:32,280
truth funders join us and we're going to

661
00:30:37,490 --> 00:30:35,580
talk about their show and their project

662
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:37,500
so get yourself something to eat or

663
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:39,450
drink go to the bathroom pet your dog

664
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:42,000
whatever floats your boat and I'll be

665
00:30:47,630 --> 00:30:45,450
back in a couple minutes welcome back

666
00:30:49,820 --> 00:30:47,640
folks hope you got something to drink

667
00:30:52,340 --> 00:30:49,830
read or went to the bathroom pet the dog

668
00:30:54,590 --> 00:30:52,350
looked out the window stretched a little

669
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:54,600
bit anyway right now I'm sitting here

670
00:30:59,630 --> 00:30:57,120
looking at my second computer and I are

671
00:31:03,040 --> 00:30:59,640
looking at this wonderful website called

672
00:31:06,110 --> 00:31:03,050
truth funders calm and it is a

673
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:06,120
fundraising platform for people who are

674
00:31:12,110 --> 00:31:08,850
trying to fund a project having to do

675
00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:12,120
with the paranormal because this is hard

676
00:31:16,220 --> 00:31:14,280
to do i'm in the academic world i can't

677
00:31:18,650 --> 00:31:16,230
get anything funded through the academic

678
00:31:21,740 --> 00:31:18,660
world and as a matter of fact what you

679
00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:21,750
know I tripped across the of several

680
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:25,180
months ago it seems like forever

681
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:27,130
I want to do and he has p project so I

682
00:31:32,570 --> 00:31:30,490
signed up and I raised enough money to

683
00:31:35,010 --> 00:31:32,580
start on the project I got tremendous

684
00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:35,020
support from them they were wonderful

685
00:31:41,310 --> 00:31:38,140
they even write your sort of your sub

686
00:31:45,030 --> 00:31:41,320
web page within a page anyway the

687
00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:45,040
founders are mark Schwartz and art web

688
00:31:49,410 --> 00:31:47,590
and and they are our guests tonight and

689
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:49,420
arts going to join us in about 15

690
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:52,330
minutes but what I'd like to do now is

691
00:31:59,160 --> 00:31:56,110
is have mark talk a bit about truth

692
00:32:02,250 --> 00:31:59,170
funders what the mission is what his

693
00:32:05,130 --> 00:32:02,260
goals are and and how you can get

694
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:05,140
involved and help so how you doing mark

695
00:32:09,630 --> 00:32:07,330
how was it out there on that host I'm

696
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:09,640
doing great thanks a lot Eric yeah you

697
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:12,070
know just just on something you just

698
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:14,650
said so you know I created truth funders

699
00:32:20,100 --> 00:32:16,690
I'm the CEO of the company with my

700
00:32:21,930 --> 00:32:20,110
business partner who is his name is Todd

701
00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:21,940
lash he's done all sorts of incredible

702
00:32:27,150 --> 00:32:25,270
uh credible other projects that you

703
00:32:29,670 --> 00:32:27,160
might have heard or have been saying on

704
00:32:32,070 --> 00:32:29,680
hurry to another yeah he's sort of the

705
00:32:34,050 --> 00:32:32,080
private partner and then art is actually

706
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:34,060
the host of truth funders radio and

707
00:32:40,170 --> 00:32:36,490
that's on the inception radio network so

708
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:40,180
he is art fantastic he comes from this

709
00:32:45,090 --> 00:32:43,600
great background of broadcasting and

710
00:32:46,830 --> 00:32:45,100
I'll let him sort of talk about his

711
00:32:50,670 --> 00:32:46,840
background when he comes on but I mean

712
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:50,680
he has worked on on internet radio with

713
00:32:56,730 --> 00:32:52,810
some of the internet radios best

714
00:33:00,210 --> 00:32:56,740
including dr. Drew and you know he has a

715
00:33:03,390 --> 00:33:00,220
whole list of people but your shows on

716
00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:03,400
Wednesday at nine p.m. eastern time 6

717
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:08,230
p.m. pacific on this network yeah yeah

718
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:10,510
and it's a it's a blast art and I I'm

719
00:33:17,370 --> 00:33:13,090
sort of the co-host you know as part of

720
00:33:20,700 --> 00:33:17,380
the Creator creator of truth funders I'm

721
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:20,710
sort of there to give art a helping hand

722
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:22,810
but he's I like to consider him two main

723
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:24,970
host of the show and we like to bicker

724
00:33:29,910 --> 00:33:27,370
with each other on air you know kind of

725
00:33:32,190 --> 00:33:29,920
uh he he's a great guy we just have a

726
00:33:34,950 --> 00:33:32,200
fun on-air chemistry so and he'll be on

727
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:34,960
here in just a few minutes as well so

728
00:33:42,930 --> 00:33:36,970
you can hear us bicker then

729
00:33:44,490 --> 00:33:42,940
Oh God yeah so truth funders is is a lot

730
00:33:46,919 --> 00:33:44,500
of fun and you know you and I actually

731
00:33:51,090 --> 00:33:46,929
met through truth funders and you had

732
00:33:53,310 --> 00:33:51,100
your project that you created and your

733
00:33:56,340 --> 00:33:53,320
project is amazing by the way ESP plus

734
00:33:58,110 --> 00:33:56,350
science equals evidence and and I love

735
00:33:59,930 --> 00:33:58,120
talking to you about your project we've

736
00:34:03,930 --> 00:33:59,940
talked a little bit about it on my show

737
00:34:06,659 --> 00:34:03,940
and we can you know talk about it more

738
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,669
here if you like but you know when when

739
00:34:11,580 --> 00:34:08,800
we met through truth funders I think

740
00:34:14,669 --> 00:34:11,590
it's just so cool because where else can

741
00:34:17,250 --> 00:34:14,679
you create a project find people who are

742
00:34:18,899 --> 00:34:17,260
interested in the same same sort of

743
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:18,909
realm of things that you're interested

744
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,450
in as well as you know help put the word

745
00:34:26,460 --> 00:34:24,399
out about your project and kind of

746
00:34:28,859 --> 00:34:26,470
create a community and what I love to

747
00:34:30,839 --> 00:34:28,869
see sort of one of your successes eric

748
00:34:32,580 --> 00:34:30,849
is it's not only the fact that people

749
00:34:36,260 --> 00:34:32,590
have donated to your project but that

750
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:36,270
you know you your show kind of evolved

751
00:34:42,300 --> 00:34:39,010
from you know just planting the seed of

752
00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:42,310
truth funders on out you know and so

753
00:34:47,099 --> 00:34:44,440
that's like a really cool success story

754
00:34:49,619 --> 00:34:47,109
for us to hear and for us to be on your

755
00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:49,629
show where we're totally honored yeah

756
00:34:54,060 --> 00:34:51,369
that's kind of how I ended up doing a

757
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:54,070
show what really amazes me is that I you

758
00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:56,050
know I thought I was going to have to do

759
00:35:01,260 --> 00:34:59,170
I mean I'm not artistic and and if you

760
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:01,270
guys go to truth funders look at any

761
00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:04,930
project you know click on mine it's the

762
00:35:09,630 --> 00:35:07,630
third one on the top row and the picture

763
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:09,640
you see there when you click on it and

764
00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:13,330
then all of the text and everything you

765
00:35:19,140 --> 00:35:16,720
see they did they wrote all that I mean

766
00:35:21,359 --> 00:35:19,150
I didn't have to do any of that and you

767
00:35:24,510 --> 00:35:21,369
know that you can mark it so easy to get

768
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:24,520
a hold of they provide I mean I guess

769
00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:26,290
I'm just trying to get across is that if

770
00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:28,030
you want support you're going to get

771
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:29,980
your you're going to get all that you

772
00:35:34,980 --> 00:35:32,800
need and then some so you know you

773
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:34,990
explain to them what you want to do and

774
00:35:41,970 --> 00:35:37,330
then they put it together and they are

775
00:35:44,190 --> 00:35:41,980
clearly artistic and then the the the

776
00:35:46,470 --> 00:35:44,200
write ups are so professional I'm

777
00:35:48,510 --> 00:35:46,480
getting so used to seeing stuff on the

778
00:35:50,370 --> 00:35:48,520
internet with you know I'm a professor I

779
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:50,380
don't like seeing lots of misspelling

780
00:35:56,430 --> 00:35:52,450
medical errors and all that this is a

781
00:35:58,170 --> 00:35:56,440
very professional booking site you might

782
00:36:01,530 --> 00:35:58,180
want to explain mark how you ended up

783
00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:01,540
with a dragonfly as as your I don't know

784
00:36:07,740 --> 00:36:03,550
what you want to call it your mascot as

785
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:07,750
our logo sure your logo so you know the

786
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:10,570
story behind truth funders is that I had

787
00:36:16,530 --> 00:36:14,320
this idea where I wanted to create

788
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:16,540
something similar to you know a

789
00:36:21,720 --> 00:36:19,690
Kickstarter a crowdfunding site where

790
00:36:24,470 --> 00:36:21,730
people who are really interested in the

791
00:36:27,630 --> 00:36:24,480
world of the paranormal could go and

792
00:36:29,790 --> 00:36:27,640
create a project maybe they wanted to

793
00:36:33,180 --> 00:36:29,800
research something or create a movie or

794
00:36:35,490 --> 00:36:33,190
a documentary and it could be real life

795
00:36:38,820 --> 00:36:35,500
stuff or it could be fiction but dealing

796
00:36:41,340 --> 00:36:38,830
with the paranormal or or ghost hunters

797
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:41,350
wanna goose save up enough money to to

798
00:36:45,930 --> 00:36:44,770
rent out a hotel for a night whatever it

799
00:36:49,230 --> 00:36:45,940
might be in order to do their

800
00:36:51,540 --> 00:36:49,240
investigation but has you know anything

801
00:36:53,430 --> 00:36:51,550
that that deals with the paranormal you

802
00:36:55,770 --> 00:36:53,440
could go to this website and say hey

803
00:36:58,500 --> 00:36:55,780
everybody we're trying to raise this

804
00:37:01,110 --> 00:36:58,510
amount of money this is our project this

805
00:37:03,300 --> 00:37:01,120
is what we're trying to do and then you

806
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:03,310
know people could come out and donate to

807
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:04,960
your project and the cool thing about

808
00:37:10,110 --> 00:37:07,390
truth funders is it's all for people who

809
00:37:11,370 --> 00:37:10,120
are interested in the paranormal so not

810
00:37:13,830 --> 00:37:11,380
only can you look at all the different

811
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:13,840
projects and see what else is out there

812
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:16,570
you know if you're if you're into this

813
00:37:20,970 --> 00:37:18,910
genre but you know then you're more

814
00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:20,980
likely to donate to some of this stuff

815
00:37:25,650 --> 00:37:23,110
because I talked to a lot of people who

816
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,660
were creating projects on Kickstarter

817
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:28,480
and they were getting no donations to

818
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,210
their projects or Kickstarter or some of

819
00:37:35,490 --> 00:37:33,280
these other companies would not want

820
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:35,500
them to create a project on their side

821
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:37,390
Kickstarter it's getting to where you're

822
00:37:43,290 --> 00:37:40,500
a grain of sand that of each right right

823
00:37:46,740 --> 00:37:43,300
yeah exactly and and so this really

824
00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:46,750
narrows that down and you know a lot of

825
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,460
people that are creating projects on

826
00:37:52,860 --> 00:37:50,800
here it does take a lot of work but

827
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:52,870
they're finding that the people that do

828
00:37:58,380 --> 00:37:55,930
work hard at it actually start to see

829
00:38:00,720 --> 00:37:58,390
some results and we try to help out as

830
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:00,730
best as we can you know sharing it with

831
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:02,890
our audience interviewing people on our

832
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:05,160
radio show about the

833
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:09,970
you know kind of doing doing little cool

834
00:38:14,460 --> 00:38:12,130
community things like there's a guy who

835
00:38:17,490 --> 00:38:14,470
was creating a movie and he wanted to

836
00:38:19,770 --> 00:38:17,500
touch base with a couple of other people

837
00:38:21,870 --> 00:38:19,780
in the genre some different ufologists

838
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:21,880
and we were able to get in touch with

839
00:38:26,610 --> 00:38:24,850
those ufologists and and put him you

840
00:38:29,940 --> 00:38:26,620
know put the two of them together so now

841
00:38:34,110 --> 00:38:29,950
he's interviewing them for his film and

842
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:34,120
that's the kind of I guess vibe oh here

843
00:38:38,340 --> 00:38:35,740
trying to bring together it's just this

844
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:38,350
whole community of projects maybe it's

845
00:38:42,990 --> 00:38:40,210
people you're trying to find maybe it's

846
00:38:45,330 --> 00:38:43,000
money or trying to raise you know we

847
00:38:49,950 --> 00:38:45,340
were just trying to make that happen in

848
00:38:52,980 --> 00:38:49,960
one place so cool yeah it's it's really

849
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:52,990
fun and boy has this world really opened

850
00:39:00,540 --> 00:38:57,010
itself up there's a lot happening right

851
00:39:02,330 --> 00:39:00,550
now in the world of technology and the

852
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:02,340
world of the paranormal and there's

853
00:39:07,770 --> 00:39:05,560
there are certain places that I'm

854
00:39:10,950 --> 00:39:07,780
starting to see you know being owner of

855
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:10,960
this company that a lot of places are

856
00:39:17,070 --> 00:39:14,320
being bought up so you have something

857
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:17,080
like a paranormal date for instance

858
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:19,690
which is out there which is a George

859
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:22,570
Nori's project that he's created which

860
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:24,490
is a dating site specifically for people

861
00:39:30,210 --> 00:39:28,090
who are into the paranormal you know

862
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:30,220
there's there's all these genre sites

863
00:39:34,580 --> 00:39:32,350
that are starting to pop up because

864
00:39:37,230 --> 00:39:34,590
there is such a big market for this and

865
00:39:39,150 --> 00:39:37,240
because of that a lot of these

866
00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:39,160
technologies are starting to be bought

867
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:44,020
up or purchased by by bigger bigger

868
00:39:48,090 --> 00:39:46,150
names and bigger people and so it's

869
00:39:50,250 --> 00:39:48,100
really neat to be on the forefront of

870
00:39:52,230 --> 00:39:50,260
that and we've started to get some

871
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:52,240
offers from people I don't know that

872
00:39:56,190 --> 00:39:53,950
we're going to sell anything necessarily

873
00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:56,200
but but definitely partner up with a

874
00:40:01,620 --> 00:39:58,510
couple of big names that's a that's in

875
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:01,630
our future here so so yeah it's a really

876
00:40:11,070 --> 00:40:04,690
really exciting place to be and you've

877
00:40:13,230 --> 00:40:11,080
had um I mean folks Oh space boy who had

878
00:40:15,450 --> 00:40:13,240
a music project he did he actually

879
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,460
exceeded his funding goal right and it

880
00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:18,160
didn't take him that long yeah you know

881
00:40:23,700 --> 00:40:20,440
and that's a prime example somebody who

882
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:23,710
has a you know he had an audience no it

883
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:25,630
wasn't a huge audience but he did have a

884
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:28,450
couple hundred people following him he

885
00:40:35,130 --> 00:40:31,330
had a fan base of people that loved his

886
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:35,140
music and so once he came to us and said

887
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:37,210
hey I have this idea I'm gonna make a

888
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:40,570
song it's a truth lenders anthem you

889
00:40:45,690 --> 00:40:43,810
know you guys can use this song however

890
00:40:47,340 --> 00:40:45,700
you see fit if you want to use it in

891
00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:47,350
your radio show if you want to use it

892
00:40:52,620 --> 00:40:49,480
however you want to use it go for it and

893
00:40:54,510 --> 00:40:52,630
what i'll do is i will sell the song to

894
00:40:57,330 --> 00:40:54,520
the public try to raise some money and

895
00:41:00,660 --> 00:40:57,340
it'll be a five dollar donation and so

896
00:41:02,970 --> 00:41:00,670
he did that so people could donate five

897
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:02,980
dollars and get the song or they could

898
00:41:08,310 --> 00:41:05,170
donate ten dollars and get a full album

899
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:08,320
or they could donate $25 and get five of

900
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:12,370
his albums and so he wound up his his

901
00:41:16,070 --> 00:41:13,930
goal was to raise five hundred dollars

902
00:41:18,660 --> 00:41:16,080
and he went ahead and did that and

903
00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:18,670
reached out to his audience and sent the

904
00:41:23,820 --> 00:41:21,670
messages on facebook twitter and created

905
00:41:25,710 --> 00:41:23,830
an email list and send stuff out to them

906
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:25,720
and you know we helped him along the way

907
00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:27,670
but he reached his goal and he was able

908
00:41:33,390 --> 00:41:30,040
to succeed and i mean that's that's

909
00:41:35,550 --> 00:41:33,400
great that's a wonderful success and

910
00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:35,560
that's addressed that's the one thing

911
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:38,440
that the that the researcher you do have

912
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:42,310
to do I have a big audience I'm a quiet

913
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:44,710
guy so what I did was I was constantly

914
00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:49,810
posting my my truth funders project not

915
00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:52,120
to the point I was being a pain but you

916
00:41:59,280 --> 00:41:54,760
know I was putting it somewhere every

917
00:42:01,980 --> 00:41:59,290
day im a twitter facebook you know just

918
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:01,990
anywhere with with the link and a brief

919
00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:05,290
explanation and you know i was i was

920
00:42:10,650 --> 00:42:07,270
surprised i made it did really well we

921
00:42:14,220 --> 00:42:10,660
we got some enough funding that was a

922
00:42:17,460 --> 00:42:14,230
stark project and we have we've already

923
00:42:19,740 --> 00:42:17,470
done a trial run with the Zener cards

924
00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:19,750
with some volunteer psych students so

925
00:42:24,350 --> 00:42:21,550
the students love being in the project

926
00:42:27,570 --> 00:42:24,360
and there's another full-time

927
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:27,580
psychologist there who teaches and and

928
00:42:31,650 --> 00:42:29,290
you know i really think she didn't think

929
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:31,660
she was going to like it very much but

930
00:42:38,540 --> 00:42:31,960
she

931
00:42:41,370 --> 00:42:38,550
so I mean it works it works very well

932
00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:41,380
it's really really cool so what do you

933
00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:43,359
think what are your thoughts I mean

934
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:45,730
you've you sort of gone through the

935
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:47,890
experience of it you're still kind

936
00:42:52,109 --> 00:42:49,450
you're still going through it because it

937
00:42:54,839 --> 00:42:52,119
can take a while for for all the

938
00:42:56,940 --> 00:42:54,849
donations to come in and to get what you

939
00:42:59,280 --> 00:42:56,950
need in order for it to work but you

940
00:43:01,500 --> 00:42:59,290
know have you sent out I know you had

941
00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,510
some really cool offers as well i think

942
00:43:09,990 --> 00:43:03,760
it was $25 donation to your project

943
00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:10,000
which was the the ESP project ESP plus

944
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:12,520
science equals evidence right word did

945
00:43:17,339 --> 00:43:14,410
you send out the Zener cards were you

946
00:43:19,339 --> 00:43:17,349
able to uh so far everyone that has

947
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:19,349
donated has to clean their um their

948
00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:22,960
prize know what they felt we had a nice

949
00:43:27,180 --> 00:43:24,580
thing as they felt like it was taking

950
00:43:29,490 --> 00:43:27,190
money away from the project yeah and it

951
00:43:32,370 --> 00:43:29,500
is what I'm happy that I'm very happy to

952
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:32,380
do it I don't mind at all it's cool it's

953
00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:34,810
going to the great cause I think we need

954
00:43:39,930 --> 00:43:37,390
a platform like this because you know

955
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:39,940
academia has given up well you know what

956
00:43:44,010 --> 00:43:42,160
if a truth funders project really got

957
00:43:47,990 --> 00:43:44,020
something going what if we got some real

958
00:43:51,510 --> 00:43:48,000
evidence based paranormal psychology

959
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:51,520
going project I think that you know

960
00:43:57,780 --> 00:43:54,609
somebody at some school would run with

961
00:44:00,839 --> 00:43:57,790
it and so it may be that you get your

962
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:00,849
project and your show is what's going to

963
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:02,890
get it started now it is like pushing a

964
00:44:07,970 --> 00:44:05,290
you know a rock uphill there's no doubt

965
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:07,980
about that yeah but but it's worth it

966
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,920
yeah well you know if that and it all

967
00:44:17,130 --> 00:44:13,599
depends too I mean there might be

968
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:17,140
someone who creates a project there you

969
00:44:21,150 --> 00:44:18,910
know anyone in the world can create it

970
00:44:24,210 --> 00:44:21,160
so if you are Joe nobody but you have a

971
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:24,220
great idea you can go there and you can

972
00:44:30,570 --> 00:44:26,650
write to us and you can create a project

973
00:44:32,490 --> 00:44:30,580
yourself but you know then there's

974
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:32,500
people that are coming around that are

975
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:33,970
going to be having projects on there

976
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:36,790
like heidi hollis we have some some big

977
00:44:40,530 --> 00:44:38,830
names up on truth funders and we're

978
00:44:44,250 --> 00:44:40,540
getting more there's a lot more that are

979
00:44:45,499 --> 00:44:44,260
coming in so all it takes is for one you

980
00:44:48,259 --> 00:44:45,509
know project to really go

981
00:44:49,729 --> 00:44:48,269
hot and really go viral and then people

982
00:44:51,919 --> 00:44:49,739
are paying attention to it people are

983
00:44:53,569 --> 00:44:51,929
donating donating to it and then all

984
00:44:55,759 --> 00:44:53,579
these other people out there that have

985
00:44:58,579 --> 00:44:55,769
projects on truth funders their projects

986
00:45:02,329 --> 00:44:58,589
will be noticed so it's a matter of

987
00:45:04,489 --> 00:45:02,339
getting it out there marketing it you

988
00:45:06,799 --> 00:45:04,499
know doing letting people know that

989
00:45:09,229 --> 00:45:06,809
truth funders exists and as time is

990
00:45:11,659 --> 00:45:09,239
going on that's happening more and more

991
00:45:13,939 --> 00:45:11,669
and I think we're having some really

992
00:45:17,569 --> 00:45:13,949
cool partnerships you know I RN is it is

993
00:45:18,979 --> 00:45:17,579
a wonderful platform but we have some

994
00:45:21,289 --> 00:45:18,989
other partnerships that we're starting

995
00:45:22,549 --> 00:45:21,299
to build and work on right now so I

996
00:45:26,179 --> 00:45:22,559
think that there is going to be a

997
00:45:30,769 --> 00:45:26,189
significant shift very shortly suit very

998
00:45:32,689 --> 00:45:30,779
shortly so your show and and the website

999
00:45:34,279 --> 00:45:32,699
and then other things you're doing

1000
00:45:37,309 --> 00:45:34,289
you're at the sounds to me like you're

1001
00:45:39,889 --> 00:45:37,319
trying to to get some synergy going you

1002
00:45:42,589 --> 00:45:39,899
know at some point though and you know

1003
00:45:44,389 --> 00:45:42,599
it would really take off you would get

1004
00:45:45,649 --> 00:45:44,399
I'm trying to think of the term I can't

1005
00:45:47,449 --> 00:45:45,659
think of its when you get to the right

1006
00:45:49,549 --> 00:45:47,459
amount of mass and something happens

1007
00:45:51,049 --> 00:45:49,559
critical mass yeah yes trying to get to

1008
00:45:53,899 --> 00:45:51,059
your critical mass so you haven't you

1009
00:45:57,049 --> 00:45:53,909
have the show how was the show going ah

1010
00:45:59,179 --> 00:45:57,059
the show's shows a blast and I think art

1011
00:46:01,909 --> 00:45:59,189
will be calling or will be will be

1012
00:46:04,429 --> 00:46:01,919
reaching out to him anytime soon or

1013
00:46:07,879 --> 00:46:04,439
coming up and you'll see you know him

1014
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:07,889
and I we we go back a few years I met

1015
00:46:16,789 --> 00:46:11,880
art via the internet he was producing a

1016
00:46:19,279 --> 00:46:16,799
show it was a talk show and also a music

1017
00:46:21,859 --> 00:46:19,289
station he had two different stations he

1018
00:46:23,479 --> 00:46:21,869
was working on and I reached out to him

1019
00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:23,489
just cuz i really like the music on this

1020
00:46:28,669 --> 00:46:25,649
particular station and so we struck up a

1021
00:46:30,589 --> 00:46:28,679
dialogue and i end up turning into this

1022
00:46:33,529 --> 00:46:30,599
really great partnership he was in LA

1023
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:33,539
I'm based in Northern California where

1024
00:46:37,939 --> 00:46:36,569
we were working on a potential show TV

1025
00:46:39,949 --> 00:46:37,949
show that we were working on for a

1026
00:46:42,349 --> 00:46:39,959
little while together and then once

1027
00:46:44,389 --> 00:46:42,359
truth funders came about and I started

1028
00:46:47,419 --> 00:46:44,399
working on this I said you know it would

1029
00:46:49,879 --> 00:46:47,429
be great to have a radio show and not

1030
00:46:52,609 --> 00:46:49,889
only that to be to work with art he has

1031
00:46:55,909 --> 00:46:52,619
a great voice his voice is just he has a

1032
00:46:58,159 --> 00:46:55,919
voice for radio that's for sure and so

1033
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:58,169
yeah you know we we work together we

1034
00:47:01,099 --> 00:46:59,099
were

1035
00:47:02,569 --> 00:47:01,109
lot like the same person but different

1036
00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:02,579
people at the same time I can't quite

1037
00:47:07,549 --> 00:47:04,920
explain it we talk over each other like

1038
00:47:11,089 --> 00:47:07,559
an old married couple and it's a good

1039
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:11,099
it's it's a really fun show we also we

1040
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:13,410
look at the deep dark things at life

1041
00:47:19,460 --> 00:47:17,119
we'd like to talk about paranormal

1042
00:47:21,469 --> 00:47:19,470
technology different platforms like

1043
00:47:23,569 --> 00:47:21,479
truth funders that are out there we like

1044
00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:23,579
to talk to people who have experiences

1045
00:47:30,769 --> 00:47:28,140
and who have had experiences and who

1046
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:30,779
have had experiences because you know we

1047
00:47:36,799 --> 00:47:33,599
find that really intriguing and we also

1048
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:36,809
take things lightly so we're a little

1049
00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:38,819
bit on the lighter side of things i

1050
00:47:45,259 --> 00:47:41,579
think but we we take everything we hear

1051
00:47:46,819 --> 00:47:45,269
very seriously I don't think for people

1052
00:47:49,759 --> 00:47:46,829
that are thinking about this center

1053
00:47:52,299 --> 00:47:49,769
instead and there are thought you know

1054
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:52,309
since thinking well I don't have an eye

1055
00:47:59,870 --> 00:47:55,680
well you know what yeah oh yeah one of

1056
00:48:03,799 --> 00:47:59,880
the important things in arm and science

1057
00:48:06,049 --> 00:48:03,809
is replication someone does a study to

1058
00:48:08,269 --> 00:48:06,059
get a good result and someone else does

1059
00:48:10,430 --> 00:48:08,279
basically the same study and we get a

1060
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:10,440
good result and it's kind of like you

1061
00:48:17,059 --> 00:48:14,450
know the project itself that though the

1062
00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:17,069
variable or whatever it gains more

1063
00:48:21,769 --> 00:48:19,529
credence I mean you can do something

1064
00:48:24,019 --> 00:48:21,779
that's already been done you know go

1065
00:48:27,529 --> 00:48:24,029
online look at some salt small

1066
00:48:30,229 --> 00:48:27,539
experience experiments and say I want to

1067
00:48:32,359 --> 00:48:30,239
replicate this one and then you know

1068
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:32,369
give that information to market truth

1069
00:48:37,009 --> 00:48:34,319
funders you do not have to have an

1070
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,019
original idea you know when I when I'm

1071
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:39,839
writing a paper and I and I need a

1072
00:48:44,359 --> 00:48:42,329
reference for something you know I might

1073
00:48:47,180 --> 00:48:44,369
find a hundred references I mean you

1074
00:48:50,059 --> 00:48:47,190
know the same the same thing has been

1075
00:48:51,950 --> 00:48:50,069
has been researched a hundred times but

1076
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:51,960
the reason we find that valuables then

1077
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:53,729
we can do meta research you know let's

1078
00:49:01,029 --> 00:48:55,410
say that someone is studying a

1079
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:01,039
particular thing and there's been 50

1080
00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:03,900
research projects done well then i can

1081
00:49:08,359 --> 00:49:05,849
do what's called meta research i can

1082
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:08,369
look at all 50 projects and i can say

1083
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:09,930
okay well they all had a variety of

1084
00:49:12,750 --> 00:49:12,210
outcomes but every single one of them

1085
00:49:14,250 --> 00:49:12,760
had these

1086
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:14,260
two outcomes well those must be

1087
00:49:18,900 --> 00:49:16,240
important outcomes that's why it's

1088
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:18,910
important to replicate so you don't have

1089
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,280
to have a brand new idea you know find

1090
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:23,680
the psychology experiment or something

1091
00:49:29,460 --> 00:49:26,650
that you know that floats your boat and

1092
00:49:31,410 --> 00:49:29,470
and and do it again because it needs to

1093
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:31,420
be done again and then if you want to

1094
00:49:36,330 --> 00:49:33,370
publish it or you want to get in front

1095
00:49:38,130 --> 00:49:36,340
of academics then you know work through

1096
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:38,140
mark and get back to me and I can help

1097
00:49:42,330 --> 00:49:41,050
you with that hope I helpful I think

1098
00:49:46,190 --> 00:49:42,340
that's great I think that's extremely

1099
00:49:49,290 --> 00:49:46,200
helpful um and it's so cool to hear you

1100
00:49:51,450 --> 00:49:49,300
give give such a psychological approach

1101
00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:51,460
to to this I mean you are on a

1102
00:49:58,620 --> 00:49:54,910
paranormal radio network and you are

1103
00:50:01,410 --> 00:49:58,630
looking things through a skeptics and

1104
00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:01,420
scientific you know perspective but

1105
00:50:05,940 --> 00:50:03,670
you're open-minded to the possibilities

1106
00:50:07,380 --> 00:50:05,950
of the strangeness that's out there and

1107
00:50:09,390 --> 00:50:07,390
I think that's something that's really

1108
00:50:13,500 --> 00:50:09,400
great about your show and why white

1109
00:50:15,270 --> 00:50:13,510
people you know listen um I heard you as

1110
00:50:18,510 --> 00:50:15,280
a guest on i think it was bill and nancy

1111
00:50:20,310 --> 00:50:18,520
burns his show a little while back that

1112
00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:20,320
was a great interview as well you guys

1113
00:50:25,530 --> 00:50:22,920
you guys talked about quite a lot i

1114
00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:25,540
called and asked to be a guest on their

1115
00:50:30,110 --> 00:50:26,950
showing i was very surprised when they

1116
00:50:33,270 --> 00:50:30,120
said yes yeah is it was a great show and

1117
00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:33,280
they're incredible huh Todd no bill bill

1118
00:50:38,310 --> 00:50:36,550
got so uh so wound up I almost felt like

1119
00:50:40,590 --> 00:50:38,320
he was in the room like it I mean I

1120
00:50:43,050 --> 00:50:40,600
buzzed head was gonna explode and you

1121
00:50:44,850 --> 00:50:43,060
know the guy seems to know a little bit

1122
00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:44,860
about everything he's like an autodidact

1123
00:50:49,140 --> 00:50:46,990
you know you know sort of a modern day

1124
00:50:53,070 --> 00:50:49,150
renaissance man he's really bright and

1125
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:53,080
and Nancy's one of the reasons i was

1126
00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:55,090
invited the nancy is that nothing gets

1127
00:51:00,060 --> 00:50:58,450
by her know she want your you're

1128
00:51:02,310 --> 00:51:00,070
absolutely right i mean they're two of

1129
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:02,320
the sharpest people in in the paranormal

1130
00:51:08,250 --> 00:51:06,130
they're not really yes Nancy no yeah not

1131
00:51:11,010 --> 00:51:08,260
a moment her BS meter is really

1132
00:51:13,550 --> 00:51:11,020
sensitive her and I actually when she

1133
00:51:16,350 --> 00:51:13,560
was a guest on the show on truth funders

1134
00:51:18,420 --> 00:51:16,360
we end of the show and her and I wound

1135
00:51:19,950 --> 00:51:18,430
up talking for another two hours after

1136
00:51:22,620 --> 00:51:19,960
the show because there was just so much

1137
00:51:25,380 --> 00:51:22,630
to talk about yeah so we were we were on

1138
00:51:26,289 --> 00:51:25,390
a roll I know I've had the same you know

1139
00:51:29,229 --> 00:51:26,299
I've talked

1140
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:29,239
you about a lot of things to it you know

1141
00:51:33,459 --> 00:51:31,130
one thing we like to do on truth funders

1142
00:51:35,979 --> 00:51:33,469
is be really transparent this is a live

1143
00:51:38,410 --> 00:51:35,989
radio show and a live radio program and

1144
00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:38,420
a lot of people that listen to inception

1145
00:51:43,799 --> 00:51:41,089
radio network you know they're here to

1146
00:51:49,779 --> 00:51:43,809
learn they really love learning about

1147
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:49,789
the guests about topics and the one

1148
00:51:53,739 --> 00:51:51,410
thing that happens when you listen to so

1149
00:51:55,150 --> 00:51:53,749
much paranormal radio as I do and I

1150
00:51:58,419 --> 00:51:55,160
think you do as well because you're a

1151
00:52:00,669 --> 00:51:58,429
big fan is that you start to know that

1152
00:52:02,380 --> 00:52:00,679
the personalities and you start to

1153
00:52:04,660 --> 00:52:02,390
almost develop a friendship with them

1154
00:52:10,209 --> 00:52:04,670
even though you haven't met them or talk

1155
00:52:11,769 --> 00:52:10,219
to them and so it's it's really exciting

1156
00:52:13,179 --> 00:52:11,779
you know what we love to do on truth

1157
00:52:14,829 --> 00:52:13,189
funders is kind of talk about the

1158
00:52:17,259 --> 00:52:14,839
dynamic and the friendships that we have

1159
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:17,269
with with different show hosts and um

1160
00:52:21,579 --> 00:52:19,910
give people sort of a peek behind the

1161
00:52:24,669 --> 00:52:21,589
curtain because I think a lot of people

1162
00:52:30,130 --> 00:52:24,679
are interested in that personal aspect

1163
00:52:32,499 --> 00:52:30,140
as well as the as the the surface and

1164
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:32,509
the information that's being given but

1165
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:34,249
we want to know more about the insides

1166
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:36,170
and the secrets of our favorite radio

1167
00:52:40,689 --> 00:52:37,729
show hosts and hear how they're all

1168
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:40,699
related or interrelated so without the

1169
00:52:45,969 --> 00:52:42,079
drama we don't have to give a lot of

1170
00:52:47,229 --> 00:52:45,979
drama on air but you know I think that's

1171
00:52:49,660 --> 00:52:47,239
something that we like and you and I

1172
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:49,670
connected on that talking about you know

1173
00:52:55,599 --> 00:52:53,359
old Art Bell shows and different

1174
00:52:58,569 --> 00:52:55,609
different shows that we listen to I know

1175
00:53:00,969 --> 00:52:58,579
that's one of the things that you and I

1176
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:00,979
connected on really early in the game

1177
00:53:06,609 --> 00:53:04,130
about all right great and you're and

1178
00:53:10,749 --> 00:53:06,619
you're a very nice guy and so easy to

1179
00:53:13,029 --> 00:53:10,759
communicate with the did are those is

1180
00:53:15,479 --> 00:53:13,039
that just your personality did you pick

1181
00:53:19,209 --> 00:53:15,489
some of that up in previous work you did

1182
00:53:22,359 --> 00:53:19,219
uh as far as much as my award winning

1183
00:53:24,759 --> 00:53:22,369
personality um that's a very pleasant

1184
00:53:26,679 --> 00:53:24,769
person it's a likable person remember

1185
00:53:28,509 --> 00:53:26,689
you're talking to a psychologist right

1186
00:53:30,579 --> 00:53:28,519
exactly yeah you could see through me

1187
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:30,589
you could probably well you can't read

1188
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:32,689
my thoughts you're trying to prove that

1189
00:53:39,549 --> 00:53:36,650
that can be done but yeah I don't know

1190
00:53:41,979 --> 00:53:39,559
if I've always been this way as

1191
00:53:45,219 --> 00:53:41,989
far as I know you know trying to trying

1192
00:53:47,319 --> 00:53:45,229
to please that's other that there is

1193
00:53:50,380 --> 00:53:47,329
that a nice people do have a tendency to

1194
00:53:53,319 --> 00:53:50,390
want other people to be happy too yeah

1195
00:53:55,329 --> 00:53:53,329
and you know I I think that oh there's

1196
00:53:56,890 --> 00:53:55,339
always a danger of becoming a doormat if

1197
00:53:59,589 --> 00:53:56,900
you're not careful Oh without a doubt

1198
00:54:01,569 --> 00:53:59,599
and I think I've lived through my door

1199
00:54:04,029 --> 00:54:01,579
mat part of my life where you know I

1200
00:54:07,390 --> 00:54:04,039
definitely will stand up for myself and

1201
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:07,400
and say things if I feel like you know

1202
00:54:10,449 --> 00:54:08,839
anything's happening or if I'm being

1203
00:54:13,059 --> 00:54:10,459
attacked or something needs to get done

1204
00:54:14,859 --> 00:54:13,069
you can't be the CEO of a company and

1205
00:54:18,009 --> 00:54:14,869
not have that spine I think that's

1206
00:54:20,140 --> 00:54:18,019
really one of the important traits that

1207
00:54:21,819 --> 00:54:20,150
you have to have but you know at the

1208
00:54:25,539 --> 00:54:21,829
same time when you're dealing with

1209
00:54:27,459 --> 00:54:25,549
people donating money anywhere when

1210
00:54:29,709 --> 00:54:27,469
you're dealing with people who are have

1211
00:54:31,299 --> 00:54:29,719
their great ideas for a project and

1212
00:54:34,449 --> 00:54:31,309
they're putting themselves out on the

1213
00:54:36,999 --> 00:54:34,459
line trying to raise awareness for their

1214
00:54:39,069 --> 00:54:37,009
project or themselves and their brave

1215
00:54:40,929 --> 00:54:39,079
enough to take their project and bring

1216
00:54:43,209 --> 00:54:40,939
it to you put it on your website so you

1217
00:54:48,849 --> 00:54:43,219
can help them I mean then that says a

1218
00:54:50,979 --> 00:54:48,859
lot and how the site does as far as you

1219
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:50,989
know the the best thing that I can do is

1220
00:54:54,370 --> 00:54:52,729
work with people and they have really

1221
00:54:56,859 --> 00:54:54,380
great time and want to create another

1222
00:54:58,859 --> 00:54:56,869
project or or say good things their

1223
00:55:03,609 --> 00:54:58,869
friends and their friends want to create

1224
00:55:08,380 --> 00:55:03,619
projects on the site because that that

1225
00:55:10,359 --> 00:55:08,390
spreads and that you know tenfold the

1226
00:55:12,939 --> 00:55:10,369
the more people are say good things

1227
00:55:14,979 --> 00:55:12,949
about you that can only help the

1228
00:55:16,839 --> 00:55:14,989
business if you're a bad person if

1229
00:55:18,959 --> 00:55:16,849
you're trying to con people if you're

1230
00:55:23,259 --> 00:55:18,969
trying to just get people's money and

1231
00:55:26,079 --> 00:55:23,269
exploit things then you know who that

1232
00:55:28,479 --> 00:55:26,089
that's horrible and I wouldn't want to

1233
00:55:30,370 --> 00:55:28,489
trust anybody like that so you know

1234
00:55:32,799 --> 00:55:30,380
everything that we do we try to be as

1235
00:55:34,209 --> 00:55:32,809
straightforward and honest you know

1236
00:55:37,479 --> 00:55:34,219
that's one of the reasons why we talk

1237
00:55:39,039 --> 00:55:37,489
about the shows and the stuff and

1238
00:55:42,729 --> 00:55:39,049
lifting the curtain and behind the

1239
00:55:45,579 --> 00:55:42,739
scenes on our show it's because we don't

1240
00:55:48,999 --> 00:55:45,589
play those games we just want to be a

1241
00:55:52,670 --> 00:55:49,009
successful company you know we want our

1242
00:55:54,589 --> 00:55:52,680
company to be like the apple of the pair

1243
00:55:56,930 --> 00:55:54,599
our normal world in some ways where it's

1244
00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:56,940
this community and people you know

1245
00:56:01,099 --> 00:55:59,099
different radio shows come and check our

1246
00:56:03,230 --> 00:56:01,109
website to see what the latest project

1247
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:03,240
is so they can talk about it on their

1248
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:05,400
show or they can come to our website and

1249
00:56:08,809 --> 00:56:07,050
say oh that sounds really cool i would

1250
00:56:11,690 --> 00:56:08,819
love to get that person is a guest on my

1251
00:56:14,390 --> 00:56:11,700
show I don't like that idea of your site

1252
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:14,400
as show material we need to take our

1253
00:56:20,809 --> 00:56:18,569
second break and once again give the

1254
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:20,819
folks a chance to get something to eat

1255
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:23,490
or drink or a pet I keep saying pet the

1256
00:56:27,950 --> 00:56:25,650
dog mine's lying asleep beside me here

1257
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:27,960
and we'll be back in a couple minutes

1258
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:31,920
with with mark again and maybe art so

1259
00:56:36,589 --> 00:56:33,720
hopefully it's still early out there on

1260
00:56:42,500 --> 00:56:36,599
the west coast so see you folks in

1261
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:42,510
couple minutes now we're back folks at

1262
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,490
the end of you know right before the

1263
00:56:49,579 --> 00:56:46,319
break I say poof because I want you to

1264
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:49,589
imagine me dissolving into an explosion

1265
00:56:53,780 --> 00:56:51,089
of like baby powder and then I

1266
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:53,790
reconstitute after the break so just in

1267
00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:55,170
case you're saying what the hell that

1268
00:57:00,260 --> 00:56:56,730
guy say right before we went off the air

1269
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:00,270
it spoof POF anyway we are back and now

1270
00:57:10,250 --> 00:57:06,180
not only do we have mark shorts hello we

1271
00:57:12,289 --> 00:57:10,260
have art web and art introduce yourself

1272
00:57:14,450 --> 00:57:12,299
and your connection the truth funders

1273
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:14,460
well my name is Arthur Hebert webbed a

1274
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:15,780
second i was born in riverside

1275
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:18,420
california and may 2619 i'm not going

1276
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:21,359
all that but I i co-hosted the truth

1277
00:57:25,460 --> 00:57:24,150
funders radio show live on the inception

1278
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:25,470
radio network with mark schwartz

1279
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:30,000
everyone and mark cage big baby there's

1280
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:32,280
lawsuits funders and said hey I got this

1281
00:57:38,900 --> 00:57:34,920
idea I want to do a weekly radio show to

1282
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:38,910
help kind of build truth finders out and

1283
00:57:42,470 --> 00:57:40,680
to give it like a weekly destination for

1284
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:42,480
people to check out what's going on I

1285
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:44,400
said that's a great idea and marketing

1286
00:57:47,780 --> 00:57:46,410
me from having spent many years in talk

1287
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:47,790
radio and he said I would love you to

1288
00:57:51,799 --> 00:57:50,490
host the show with me and I said an

1289
00:57:52,970 --> 00:57:51,809
opportunity to work with the great mark

1290
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:52,980
Schwartz on a weekly basis are you

1291
00:57:57,950 --> 00:57:55,650
kidding me sign me up and here i am now

1292
00:58:01,099 --> 00:57:57,960
do you have other that you have other

1293
00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:01,109
background and this stuff or radio yes

1294
00:58:06,859 --> 00:58:04,950
my primary everything I've ever done

1295
00:58:12,170 --> 00:58:06,869
spin in talk radio predominantly the

1296
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:12,180
last like 12 years i mate yeah I uh man

1297
00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:15,839
I've done a lot of things I have you can

1298
00:58:20,450 --> 00:58:18,990
say it art busy named rely the boy I've

1299
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:20,460
done our name drop I like name-dropping

1300
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:22,890
name drop okay all right well i mean

1301
00:58:26,329 --> 00:58:24,630
i've been i've been actively involved in

1302
00:58:29,329 --> 00:58:26,339
internet radio as a matter of fact since

1303
00:58:31,460 --> 00:58:29,339
I think 2006 or 2007 was when I started

1304
00:58:35,630 --> 00:58:31,470
playing around with it so pretty early

1305
00:58:38,270 --> 00:58:35,640
on and I've been kind of there along the

1306
00:58:40,550 --> 00:58:38,280
way every step in the process of

1307
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:40,560
internet radio becoming the new normal

1308
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:41,849
no pun intended i'll get to that in a

1309
00:58:50,060 --> 00:58:44,910
second of what digital bright what

1310
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:50,070
broadcasting is how people to me i arted

1311
00:58:54,829 --> 00:58:53,130
i just i just read a statistic that 30

1312
00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:54,839
million people listen to the radio

1313
00:59:01,370 --> 00:58:57,510
online and that's ten percent of the

1314
00:59:02,900 --> 00:59:01,380
population I mean that's big that's big

1315
00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:02,910
yes and it will only exponentially

1316
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:05,849
continue to grow if only because of the

1317
00:59:09,620 --> 00:59:07,920
fact that trust your broadcast radio and

1318
00:59:10,910 --> 00:59:09,630
the programming all Donna has

1319
00:59:14,450 --> 00:59:10,920
essentially shot itself the foot and

1320
00:59:16,819 --> 00:59:14,460
killed itself by way of just sucking

1321
00:59:19,550 --> 00:59:16,829
everything fun interesting and creative

1322
00:59:21,500 --> 00:59:19,560
out of it in favor of you know nickel

1323
00:59:22,819 --> 00:59:21,510
and diming the business and it's sad and

1324
00:59:25,339 --> 00:59:22,829
unfortunate because I come from

1325
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:25,349
terrestrial broadcast radio is my part

1326
00:59:30,050 --> 00:59:28,079
of your background and I started I mean

1327
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:30,060
in San Francisco was where I got my

1328
00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:32,220
first job but I'm worked on the Tom like

1329
00:59:35,630 --> 00:59:33,750
his show for many years which was a

1330
00:59:37,430 --> 00:59:35,640
nationally syndicated talk radio show a

1331
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,440
la kind of like Howard Stern it was on

1332
00:59:44,030 --> 00:59:38,880
the same station Howard Stern Arab am

1333
00:59:47,690 --> 00:59:44,040
and I was you know actively like doing

1334
00:59:49,670 --> 00:59:47,700
that as my career for I worked on that

1335
00:59:52,460 --> 00:59:49,680
show for many years and made good money

1336
00:59:55,339 --> 00:59:52,470
doing it and then unfortunately they

1337
00:59:58,760 --> 00:59:55,349
decided that the running talk radio

1338
01:00:02,540 --> 00:59:58,770
stations costs too much why pay salaries

1339
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:02,550
to for essentially morning shows on the

1340
01:00:05,420 --> 01:00:04,319
air all day long when you can just play

1341
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:05,430
music and it's a hell of a lot cheaper

1342
01:00:09,290 --> 01:00:08,130
and they you know and that's what's

1343
01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:09,300
happening and that is why things like

1344
01:00:16,430 --> 01:00:13,140
irn have become so much more predominant

1345
01:00:18,250 --> 01:00:16,440
in the way people consume you know talk

1346
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:18,260
radio because talk radio is important

1347
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:20,690
element of entertainment and it's it's

1348
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:22,730
honestly the best because it is the most

1349
01:00:26,950 --> 01:00:24,530
intimate and allows like connection to

1350
01:00:29,410 --> 01:00:26,960
your your customers your listeners your

1351
01:00:31,060 --> 01:00:29,420
you know your fans in such a way that

1352
01:00:33,700 --> 01:00:31,070
you just can't accomplish anywhere else

1353
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:33,710
I mean you cannot establish that kind of

1354
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:35,810
close relationship yeah wooden track me

1355
01:00:39,670 --> 01:00:37,850
to it any new only thing on a radio I

1356
01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:39,680
listen to it was talk radio that's it I

1357
01:00:44,350 --> 01:00:41,750
don't watch TV I was in Thailand and my

1358
01:00:46,810 --> 01:00:44,360
girlfriend who like loves this too she

1359
01:00:48,460 --> 01:00:46,820
got turned on to it so anyway I've said

1360
01:00:50,830 --> 01:00:48,470
all of our centers real quick marcher

1361
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:50,840
sure this is by the way to see this is

1362
01:00:54,970 --> 01:00:53,090
fun yes this is a snickering right here

1363
01:00:56,860 --> 01:00:54,980
is essentially this where I say mark

1364
01:00:58,720 --> 01:00:56,870
hold on let me finish my thought about

1365
01:01:00,910 --> 01:00:58,730
six hundred times during the show and

1366
01:01:03,220 --> 01:01:00,920
then in between those moments is when we

1367
01:01:04,510 --> 01:01:03,230
fill in like actual interesting content

1368
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:04,520
but usually it's just be saying hold am

1369
01:01:08,290 --> 01:01:06,290
I going finish my thought I just want to

1370
01:01:10,420 --> 01:01:08,300
say that I've spent a lot of time on the

1371
01:01:13,230 --> 01:01:10,430
air as well I was DJ of rock stations

1372
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:13,240
and to this day I continue to work in

1373
01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:16,880
radio as my primary career most recently

1374
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:18,830
now for Apple and music and they're the

1375
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:20,210
only things so that's that's how I make

1376
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:23,060
a lot of you know my time spent other

1377
01:01:27,190 --> 01:01:24,770
than doing this truth so rare right

1378
01:01:28,690 --> 01:01:27,200
radio is your career yes radio has been

1379
01:01:30,310 --> 01:01:28,700
my career since the day I turned 18

1380
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:30,320
years old well really radios my career

1381
01:01:33,070 --> 01:01:31,970
since I was in third grade and I decided

1382
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:33,080
that was what I wanted to do for a

1383
01:01:37,870 --> 01:01:35,570
living I think that was so cool the

1384
01:01:40,810 --> 01:01:37,880
moment I used to practice my radio voice

1385
01:01:43,780 --> 01:01:40,820
like this when I was a kid now I'm just

1386
01:01:45,340 --> 01:01:43,790
hanging never did that no but hey you're

1387
01:01:48,730 --> 01:01:45,350
such a liar i know you guys sounded

1388
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:48,740
exactly like that suit well is that real

1389
01:01:53,740 --> 01:01:51,200
deep voice right Morgan yes oh yeah yeah

1390
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:53,750
for sure you know I I talked about this

1391
01:02:00,760 --> 01:01:56,930
a lot you know the big radio stations

1392
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:00,770
the big radio companies like the big

1393
01:02:05,170 --> 01:02:02,930
global powers there's like like three of

1394
01:02:06,580 --> 01:02:05,180
them maybe three or five of them I think

1395
01:02:08,340 --> 01:02:06,590
there's not any more did you know what

1396
01:02:11,170 --> 01:02:08,350
as a matter of fact every major radio

1397
01:02:13,030 --> 01:02:11,180
broadcast entity cumulus radio clear

1398
01:02:15,250 --> 01:02:13,040
channel radio now I heart media CBS

1399
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:15,260
radio those are the main three they are

1400
01:02:18,580 --> 01:02:16,850
emerging money none of them have been in

1401
01:02:21,340 --> 01:02:18,590
the black since I think two thousand

1402
01:02:23,050 --> 01:02:21,350
five or 600 yeah that because this is

1403
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:23,060
what they do they go in the hack away

1404
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:25,130
all the personalities so you know you

1405
01:02:29,980 --> 01:02:26,810
used to drive to town to town and get

1406
01:02:31,630 --> 01:02:29,990
that intimate wonderful oh yes it's good

1407
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:31,640
to hear like I've never been to this

1408
01:02:33,910 --> 01:02:32,210
town before

1409
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:33,920
I'm hearing this DJ and he's playing

1410
01:02:37,839 --> 01:02:36,170
this new music he's talking about new

1411
01:02:39,730 --> 01:02:37,849
things and it's really cool they've

1412
01:02:41,530 --> 01:02:39,740
taken all that away they've wiped it out

1413
01:02:43,930 --> 01:02:41,540
and what they've done is they put up the

1414
01:02:46,329 --> 01:02:43,940
Ryan Seacrest's and they say Oh Ryan

1415
01:02:48,550 --> 01:02:46,339
Seacrest will be great for every single

1416
01:02:50,530 --> 01:02:48,560
station from here to it from New York

1417
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:50,540
California let's go ahead and put them

1418
01:02:54,550 --> 01:02:52,400
in the nine o'clock to twelve o'clock

1419
01:02:56,579 --> 01:02:54,560
time slot that way we only have to play

1420
01:02:59,020 --> 01:02:56,589
one person instead of hundreds of people

1421
01:03:00,609 --> 01:02:59,030
and we can just record him so he doesn't

1422
01:03:02,500 --> 01:03:00,619
even have to be live and we can just

1423
01:03:05,290 --> 01:03:02,510
kind of put him here and there and

1424
01:03:06,670 --> 01:03:05,300
cookie cut it and in you know while

1425
01:03:08,950 --> 01:03:06,680
they're doing this they're destroying

1426
01:03:11,620 --> 01:03:08,960
everything that people listen to the

1427
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:11,630
radio for and and they're also you know

1428
01:03:15,460 --> 01:03:13,130
the only thing that they have on these

1429
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:15,470
days because of what happened back in

1430
01:03:22,780 --> 01:03:19,609
the 90s is right wing talk radio and

1431
01:03:26,140 --> 01:03:22,790
it's like it's this conservative stuff

1432
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,150
with no boss it's a robot station these

1433
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:28,400
days yeah it's the same people here mark

1434
01:03:33,670 --> 01:03:31,760
levin Randy Savage Shaw handy Sean

1435
01:03:35,950 --> 01:03:33,680
Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and you hear

1436
01:03:37,300 --> 01:03:35,960
those guys boom boom boom boom boom and

1437
01:03:39,339 --> 01:03:37,310
it's the same stuff and you know what

1438
01:03:41,230 --> 01:03:39,349
people are getting tired of hearing

1439
01:03:43,390 --> 01:03:41,240
these guys and they've been on for like

1440
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:43,400
15 years and they're getting too old

1441
01:03:48,579 --> 01:03:46,970
like you know they're just it we've seen

1442
01:03:50,170 --> 01:03:48,589
it we've lived through a lot of

1443
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:50,180
sustainable that is going to happen that

1444
01:03:54,940 --> 01:03:52,910
didn't happen yadda yadda all that you

1445
01:03:56,770 --> 01:03:54,950
know and there's an open whether people

1446
01:03:59,170 --> 01:03:56,780
really bad thing about it is honestly

1447
01:04:00,670 --> 01:03:59,180
the generation now that is the up

1448
01:04:03,099 --> 01:04:00,680
incumbents the ones that are primarily

1449
01:04:05,950 --> 01:04:03,109
listening to irn um they're never going

1450
01:04:08,589 --> 01:04:05,960
to understand that back in the 70s 80s

1451
01:04:10,030 --> 01:04:08,599
90s even for a minute in the early 2000s

1452
01:04:12,730 --> 01:04:10,040
when I first I mean I got just a taste

1453
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:12,740
of this radio used to be in a

1454
01:04:17,589 --> 01:04:15,170
destination you used to go there's a

1455
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:17,599
station and it was a place it was it was

1456
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:20,240
a it was a whole environment that you

1457
01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:23,330
lived in within and that was you know

1458
01:04:31,630 --> 01:04:28,480
the creativity was just unstoppable and

1459
01:04:33,220 --> 01:04:31,640
it's just a sad depressing story I don't

1460
01:04:35,950 --> 01:04:33,230
want to get it or you're right about the

1461
01:04:39,490 --> 01:04:35,960
age brackets because by my students

1462
01:04:41,230 --> 01:04:39,500
especially my 18 to 25 s they do not

1463
01:04:44,710 --> 01:04:41,240
listen the terrestrial radio they don't

1464
01:04:46,089 --> 01:04:44,720
have a typical radio you know that you

1465
01:04:48,069 --> 01:04:46,099
plug into the wall let me

1466
01:04:50,019 --> 01:04:48,079
they if it doesn't if it doesn't come

1467
01:04:53,229 --> 01:04:50,029
through their tablet their phone or

1468
01:04:55,930 --> 01:04:53,239
their notebook they don't listen but you

1469
01:04:57,999 --> 01:04:55,940
know what I do see is you know the 17 18

1470
01:05:00,749 --> 01:04:58,009
year olds are listening to music but as

1471
01:05:05,019 --> 01:05:00,759
the age goes up they talk more about the

1472
01:05:06,789 --> 01:05:05,029
you know talk radio and a lot of my I'm

1473
01:05:08,890 --> 01:05:06,799
surprised at the number of my students

1474
01:05:11,469 --> 01:05:08,900
who listen to the show because you know

1475
01:05:14,289 --> 01:05:11,479
I'm I have a great five weeks ahead of

1476
01:05:16,420 --> 01:05:14,299
me I for the next five weeks I teach two

1477
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:16,430
and a half hours a week that's I'm

1478
01:05:20,739 --> 01:05:18,529
finished my big classes for the summer a

1479
01:05:22,210 --> 01:05:20,749
tuesday night at the beginning social

1480
01:05:25,690 --> 01:05:22,220
psych some of the students or bring up

1481
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:25,700
the show that's awesome and that is

1482
01:05:30,489 --> 01:05:27,680
really cool the other thing too is that

1483
01:05:32,529 --> 01:05:30,499
the problem with radio is entity and

1484
01:05:34,269 --> 01:05:32,539
what it used to be in these broadcasting

1485
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:34,279
corporation's what they have is that

1486
01:05:39,849 --> 01:05:36,950
they didn't develop with the technology

1487
01:05:42,219 --> 01:05:39,859
as it progressed and just like anything

1488
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:42,229
else yes when the Rolling Stones put out

1489
01:05:46,420 --> 01:05:44,809
a vinyl record in the 1960s uh when

1490
01:05:48,190 --> 01:05:46,430
eight tracks came out there was no

1491
01:05:49,479 --> 01:05:48,200
question that you would be able to get

1492
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:49,489
too long so it's on a track and then

1493
01:05:54,370 --> 01:05:51,890
sequentially and I had one of those tape

1494
01:05:56,229 --> 01:05:54,380
into tapes into CDs into ABC's the

1495
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,239
delivery system may change but the

1496
01:06:00,999 --> 01:05:57,920
content will always stay the same and

1497
01:06:03,549 --> 01:06:01,009
that's the problem that radio broadcast

1498
01:06:05,739 --> 01:06:03,559
as it was existing ran into is that they

1499
01:06:08,009 --> 01:06:05,749
did not develop with the times and they

1500
01:06:10,599 --> 01:06:08,019
were so married to this technology of a

1501
01:06:12,430 --> 01:06:10,609
giant piece of metal on a mountain

1502
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:12,440
somewhere broadcasting you know

1503
01:06:17,380 --> 01:06:15,440
wirelessly that they refuse to adopt the

1504
01:06:20,349 --> 01:06:17,390
internet as something that could deliver

1505
01:06:22,150 --> 01:06:20,359
their content to the people and because

1506
01:06:23,859 --> 01:06:22,160
they did that they really missed the

1507
01:06:25,809 --> 01:06:23,869
boat just like blockbuster did with

1508
01:06:27,759 --> 01:06:25,819
Netflix just you know we've seen this

1509
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:27,769
story time and time again radio is a

1510
01:06:31,509 --> 01:06:29,599
billion-dollar industry so it's taking a

1511
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:31,519
little bit more time to die off but we

1512
01:06:37,029 --> 01:06:34,400
are there yeah they're they're basically

1513
01:06:38,799 --> 01:06:37,039
selling off for parts these stations

1514
01:06:40,509 --> 01:06:38,809
they went in they bought all these

1515
01:06:43,329 --> 01:06:40,519
stations they bankrupt at these stations

1516
01:06:45,099 --> 01:06:43,339
then they sell them for four pieces and

1517
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:45,109
they dismantle them and they close them

1518
01:06:49,539 --> 01:06:47,119
and then they streamline them I do

1519
01:06:52,209 --> 01:06:49,549
wonder one thing though I'm I'm not a

1520
01:06:55,150 --> 01:06:52,219
fan of pure podcast I like live radio

1521
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:55,160
you know I like the idea that if I miss

1522
01:06:59,469 --> 01:06:57,170
a show i can go listen to the archive

1523
01:07:00,070 --> 01:06:59,479
but I mean yeah what's what's the

1524
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:00,080
balance

1525
01:07:05,020 --> 01:07:02,690
going to be do these folks do podcast

1526
01:07:08,140 --> 01:07:05,030
only because they're kind of shy about

1527
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:08,150
being live or no they do hide a testing

1528
01:07:12,730 --> 01:07:10,010
they do podcasting because live

1529
01:07:14,650 --> 01:07:12,740
broadcasting you cannot stop down and

1530
01:07:17,830 --> 01:07:14,660
fix things and make it sound perfect and

1531
01:07:20,590 --> 01:07:17,840
you got make sort of a sarcastic yes it

1532
01:07:22,270 --> 01:07:20,600
does and also with live broadcasts like

1533
01:07:24,340 --> 01:07:22,280
what we're doing now we can interact

1534
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:24,350
with our listeners in real time and that

1535
01:07:27,430 --> 01:07:25,490
is the thing that has always turned me

1536
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:27,440
off of podcasting is that there is that

1537
01:07:31,810 --> 01:07:30,170
sense of connection and intimacy with

1538
01:07:35,230 --> 01:07:31,820
the host as I listened to him in that

1539
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:35,240
moment it is completely just removed

1540
01:07:40,090 --> 01:07:37,010
from the entire equation and therefore

1541
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:40,100
it it just seems much less special to me

1542
01:07:43,450 --> 01:07:42,050
in that way because there is that room

1543
01:07:45,850 --> 01:07:43,460
for spontaneity is completely

1544
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:45,860
disintegrate program if you can't do

1545
01:07:48,940 --> 01:07:47,330
that and that's what we need Howard

1546
01:07:50,650 --> 01:07:48,950
started and people like that so great

1547
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:50,660
was you'll never get that in podcasting

1548
01:07:54,550 --> 01:07:52,400
and podcasting will never be a major

1549
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:54,560
medium that that makes it my tummys the

1550
01:07:59,580 --> 01:07:56,330
whole time that we're doing the show my

1551
01:08:02,770 --> 01:07:59,590
eyes are glued to the to the chat room I

1552
01:08:05,140 --> 01:08:02,780
mean I love that interaction you know

1553
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:05,150
skies and their analog holes in there we

1554
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:08,930
got some regulars so getting back to the

1555
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:11,810
truth funders I would assume that you

1556
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:16,130
and Mark are kind of on the same page if

1557
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:18,560
you have a guess where do you think

1558
01:08:25,480 --> 01:08:21,170
it'll be in a few years two or three

1559
01:08:27,970 --> 01:08:25,490
years well so we were working on some

1560
01:08:31,810 --> 01:08:27,980
really cool apps some behind-the-scenes

1561
01:08:33,579 --> 01:08:31,820
stuff that was really neat that stuff

1562
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:33,589
kind of went on hold for a little bit

1563
01:08:37,930 --> 01:08:35,810
and it's not that we don't have it ready

1564
01:08:39,310 --> 01:08:37,940
we do have it we could release it and

1565
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:39,320
some of these things that we were

1566
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:43,970
working on was um kit live streams where

1567
01:08:49,420 --> 01:08:46,850
people could Skywatch like weather

1568
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:49,430
weather cams you like the Arizona news

1569
01:08:53,170 --> 01:08:51,650
weather cam and we could pull it in and

1570
01:08:55,420 --> 01:08:53,180
stream it so you could come to truth

1571
01:08:57,550 --> 01:08:55,430
funders and watch streams in different

1572
01:09:00,190 --> 01:08:57,560
states and just stare at the sky bar

1573
01:09:02,349 --> 01:09:00,200
cams yeah just live cams any time you

1574
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:02,359
want so that way if you wanted to UFO

1575
01:09:05,650 --> 01:09:04,010
watch you could do it and you could

1576
01:09:08,530 --> 01:09:05,660
potentially record some of the stuff

1577
01:09:10,990 --> 01:09:08,540
from your from your desktop so i can get

1578
01:09:13,259 --> 01:09:11,000
like a seti project if lots of people

1579
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:13,269
bought inexpensive

1580
01:09:19,870 --> 01:09:16,730
IP cams and pointed I'm straight-up got

1581
01:09:21,910 --> 01:09:19,880
me definitely yeah that'd be a

1582
01:09:25,539 --> 01:09:21,920
project for somebody that could totally

1583
01:09:27,549 --> 01:09:25,549
be a project Oh without a doubt um you

1584
01:09:31,539 --> 01:09:27,559
know so to interconnect the network of

1585
01:09:33,249 --> 01:09:31,549
you know sky pointing webcams that would

1586
01:09:35,229 --> 01:09:33,259
be a fantastic one I think a lot of

1587
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:35,239
people would donate to that and think

1588
01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:37,130
that it was super cool I mean that's the

1589
01:09:42,039 --> 01:09:39,049
kind of project that we would love to

1590
01:09:44,470 --> 01:09:42,049
fund there is a guy that is doing a

1591
01:09:46,419 --> 01:09:44,480
project where he is and we've been in

1592
01:09:48,999 --> 01:09:46,429
touch a little bit here and there he is

1593
01:09:52,629 --> 01:09:49,009
he actually created an observatory and

1594
01:09:54,609 --> 01:09:52,639
is filming the moon without NASA without

1595
01:09:56,950 --> 01:09:54,619
using NASA's footage and what he was

1596
01:09:58,839 --> 01:09:56,960
saying was that when he was filming the

1597
01:10:00,580 --> 01:09:58,849
or he was watching NASA footage of the

1598
01:10:03,250 --> 01:10:00,590
moon and right when something strange

1599
01:10:05,319 --> 01:10:03,260
started to happen it cut away and went

1600
01:10:07,450 --> 01:10:05,329
to a different camera angle and he was

1601
01:10:09,729 --> 01:10:07,460
sick of watching this and seeing this

1602
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:09,739
where it would always cut away if he was

1603
01:10:14,859 --> 01:10:11,690
trying to stare at something so what he

1604
01:10:16,779 --> 01:10:14,869
did he was independently wealthy and he

1605
01:10:20,970 --> 01:10:16,789
raised some money and created an

1606
01:10:23,379 --> 01:10:20,980
organization a non non profit and he

1607
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:23,389
created this Observatory with a camera

1608
01:10:28,899 --> 01:10:26,690
and he is creating a feed to the moon

1609
01:10:31,029 --> 01:10:28,909
which is not interrupted it's just the

1610
01:10:33,100 --> 01:10:31,039
stream so he might be creating a product

1611
01:10:35,020 --> 01:10:33,110
on truth funder soon but something like

1612
01:10:37,930 --> 01:10:35,030
that I mean this is the kind of stuff

1613
01:10:39,850 --> 01:10:37,940
that we love and that we want people to

1614
01:10:41,709 --> 01:10:39,860
create on here and we will help to

1615
01:10:44,379 --> 01:10:41,719
broadcast it and get it to the right

1616
01:10:46,149 --> 01:10:44,389
places and push it to the right people I

1617
01:10:48,700 --> 01:10:46,159
mean this is what we get really excited

1618
01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:48,710
about um so so yeah there's there's

1619
01:10:53,729 --> 01:10:51,409
projects like that but then where do we

1620
01:10:56,470 --> 01:10:53,739
see ourselves like I said there is a

1621
01:10:58,319 --> 01:10:56,480
we're partnering up with some some big

1622
01:11:01,000 --> 01:10:58,329
people or potentially partnering and

1623
01:11:03,180 --> 01:11:01,010
we've had a couple of offers come our

1624
01:11:05,770 --> 01:11:03,190
way and right now I'm just trying to

1625
01:11:09,009 --> 01:11:05,780
move things around see what would be the

1626
01:11:11,410 --> 01:11:09,019
best form for the company and you know

1627
01:11:15,490 --> 01:11:11,420
for the morale of the company for how

1628
01:11:18,549 --> 01:11:15,500
people view the company and you know

1629
01:11:20,589 --> 01:11:18,559
what we'll get it the best exposure sigh

1630
01:11:22,930 --> 01:11:20,599
thank you mark mark you mind if I climb

1631
01:11:24,850 --> 01:11:22,940
in with please please go ahead by the

1632
01:11:26,740 --> 01:11:24,860
way if you guys hearing anything other

1633
01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:26,750
than my voice coming from my line is

1634
01:11:32,410 --> 01:11:27,230
because of

1635
01:11:35,950 --> 01:11:32,420
middleville Colonel over-watering Raven

1636
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:35,960
is upside it's a monster I'm in a

1637
01:11:42,130 --> 01:11:39,530
monsoon I mean at all like there were

1638
01:11:45,220 --> 01:11:42,140
you guys near on down yeah it's great

1639
01:11:47,470 --> 01:11:45,230
but it's like I'm a dog says come across

1640
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:47,480
what I was gonna say those you know I

1641
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:49,010
think the idea was true funders right

1642
01:11:53,860 --> 01:11:51,290
now honestly and looking at it in two or

1643
01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:53,870
three years ahead the obvious benchmarks

1644
01:11:59,050 --> 01:11:55,250
and goals that we would like to hit in

1645
01:12:00,760 --> 01:11:59,060
terms of you know user exposure and the

1646
01:12:02,410 --> 01:12:00,770
amounts of people coming to visit to

1647
01:12:05,950 --> 01:12:02,420
funders and interacting with on daily

1648
01:12:07,900 --> 01:12:05,960
basis but I think really it's at this

1649
01:12:09,550 --> 01:12:07,910
point much more about keeping an open

1650
01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:09,560
mind and let anything to organically

1651
01:12:13,150 --> 01:12:11,210
grow and build into whatever it's going

1652
01:12:15,310 --> 01:12:13,160
to become and allowing it not not

1653
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:15,320
micromanaging what true funders is and

1654
01:12:18,190 --> 01:12:17,120
allowing true funders to decide for

1655
01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:18,200
itself what it's going to be because

1656
01:12:22,030 --> 01:12:20,780
just like anything else it's a we're

1657
01:12:24,130 --> 01:12:22,040
working with the universe and I think

1658
01:12:25,900 --> 01:12:24,140
that we should let the universe put in

1659
01:12:29,950 --> 01:12:25,910
there fifty percent of it too so we

1660
01:12:32,530 --> 01:12:29,960
should keep it open mind yeah I think

1661
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:32,540
that's that's really well said art it

1662
01:12:37,210 --> 01:12:35,120
will be whatever whatever people make of

1663
01:12:39,700 --> 01:12:37,220
it you know if people decide they hate

1664
01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:39,710
it and it's not working for them then

1665
01:12:45,880 --> 01:12:43,160
that's one thing we haven't we've had

1666
01:12:49,510 --> 01:12:45,890
people inquire there's been a few people

1667
01:12:51,790 --> 01:12:49,520
in the past who have said oh oh oh

1668
01:12:56,530 --> 01:12:51,800
enquirer I was talking to use 'ok okay

1669
01:13:01,870 --> 01:12:56,540
yeah you know Paco we had a there was a

1670
01:13:07,810 --> 01:13:01,880
you know on on what is it uh the art

1671
01:13:10,810 --> 01:13:07,820
bell chat page oh gosh oh yeah Bell

1672
01:13:13,540 --> 01:13:10,820
gabelle gap thank you um so on bail cab

1673
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:13,550
there was actually a you know someone

1674
01:13:19,090 --> 01:13:15,890
posted one of our projects and said oh

1675
01:13:20,380 --> 01:13:19,100
this is really cool is this project

1676
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:20,390
actually going to happen does anybody

1677
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:22,250
know about this truth wonder stuff and

1678
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,170
then someone you know there are a couple

1679
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:26,480
of posts like oh yeah there are a new

1680
01:13:29,860 --> 01:13:28,370
company and then someone wrote

1681
01:13:32,770 --> 01:13:29,870
underneath that I think it was oh

1682
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,780
they're just trying to you know make

1683
01:13:37,420 --> 01:13:35,120
money and you know trying to make as

1684
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:37,430
much money as they can probably and then

1685
01:13:40,960 --> 01:13:39,440
someone else wrote something under there

1686
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:40,970
like no they're actually

1687
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:43,010
cool I've listened to their show I mean

1688
01:13:46,780 --> 01:13:44,930
there's all this stuff but some people

1689
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:46,790
thinking oh they're trying to make all

1690
01:13:52,660 --> 01:13:50,090
the money they can to be quite honest we

1691
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:52,670
are business so yes we do want to make

1692
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:55,010
money because if we make money we're

1693
01:14:00,610 --> 01:13:58,400
able to have more advertising and and

1694
01:14:02,230 --> 01:14:00,620
make it bigger and more robust and were

1695
01:14:05,260 --> 01:14:02,240
able to get your project out and do

1696
01:14:07,420 --> 01:14:05,270
stuff but how much money I mean we're

1697
01:14:09,700 --> 01:14:07,430
not we're not taking anything if people

1698
01:14:12,670 --> 01:14:09,710
won't have a project and they want to

1699
01:14:15,580 --> 01:14:12,680
put it up we take four percent of that

1700
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:15,590
and for what we do and we all target it

1701
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:18,770
is tiny I'm telling you it's we've spent

1702
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:20,690
a lot more money than we made so far oh

1703
01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:23,450
I'm sure but I think that will change I

1704
01:14:28,150 --> 01:14:25,460
think that will change over the years as

1705
01:14:29,380 --> 01:14:28,160
this continues to grow and evolve and I

1706
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:29,390
think that's another thing is what we

1707
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:31,970
need is time it's still a new platform

1708
01:14:35,890 --> 01:14:34,010
and that's why it's so cool to jump on

1709
01:14:38,050 --> 01:14:35,900
board now is because you could be one of

1710
01:14:40,270 --> 01:14:38,060
those projects that is there and ready

1711
01:14:42,670 --> 01:14:40,280
to go when that big one hits and

1712
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:42,680
suddenly boom there's there's tons of

1713
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:44,570
people on the site because it's just a

1714
01:14:48,940 --> 01:14:46,910
matter of time you know somewhere in

1715
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:48,950
your area there's 45 million dollar

1716
01:14:54,220 --> 01:14:50,810
mansion on the marker that'll be yours

1717
01:14:56,170 --> 01:14:54,230
and we here hey I will take it it has a

1718
01:14:58,420 --> 01:14:56,180
hundred has a hundred twenty three rooms

1719
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,430
every time I hear about these places I

1720
01:15:02,260 --> 01:14:59,840
always wonder how do you keep it clean

1721
01:15:05,410 --> 01:15:02,270
but I'm way off topic I'm sorry go ahead

1722
01:15:06,850 --> 01:15:05,420
guys yeah I you gotta you gotta wonder

1723
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:06,860
how to keep those things cleaning a lot

1724
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:09,890
of maids I suppose but yeah you know the

1725
01:15:15,370 --> 01:15:12,530
the future for this thing is it's like

1726
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,380
the the reason why we do it is to help

1727
01:15:19,750 --> 01:15:18,080
the universe and really feel that and it

1728
01:15:21,850 --> 01:15:19,760
was like you at you said earlier like

1729
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:21,860
you seem like a nice person you really

1730
01:15:27,340 --> 01:15:24,410
seem like a naturally nice person um and

1731
01:15:29,620 --> 01:15:27,350
that's how I hope people view truth

1732
01:15:31,060 --> 01:15:29,630
funders like it's a nice site it's not

1733
01:15:33,250 --> 01:15:31,070
it's really trying to help people

1734
01:15:35,860 --> 01:15:33,260
because we are that's what we're trying

1735
01:15:37,570 --> 01:15:35,870
to do if whether it's marv universe hope

1736
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:37,580
it comes out reminds me that reminds me

1737
01:15:40,180 --> 01:15:38,570
of something you said when you were

1738
01:15:41,380 --> 01:15:40,190
first you know building the idea for

1739
01:15:43,300 --> 01:15:41,390
true thunders and ultimately what it

1740
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:43,310
would become is that the one thing you

1741
01:15:48,610 --> 01:15:45,290
really didn't want truth lenders to be

1742
01:15:51,220 --> 01:15:48,620
was that kind of stigma that's attached

1743
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:51,230
with the paranormal genre and realm that

1744
01:15:54,430 --> 01:15:53,090
is like you know it's very dark it is

1745
01:15:58,360 --> 01:15:54,440
very

1746
01:16:01,030 --> 01:15:58,370
common person you feel as though you're

1747
01:16:03,580 --> 01:16:01,040
you're being engaged with or involved

1748
01:16:05,530 --> 01:16:03,590
with something that is not for you it's

1749
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:05,540
a lot of skulls and all it's just a

1750
01:16:10,390 --> 01:16:07,130
weird imagery and you wanted to keep it

1751
01:16:12,550 --> 01:16:10,400
much more calm and like friendly to the

1752
01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:12,560
user friendly to people that aren't

1753
01:16:16,090 --> 01:16:14,330
necessarily involved with the paranormal

1754
01:16:18,700 --> 01:16:16,100
community on day-to-day basis and wanted

1755
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:18,710
them to feel comfortable engaging well

1756
01:16:23,950 --> 01:16:20,719
absolutely that's a really great point

1757
01:16:26,260 --> 01:16:23,960
art I mean when you're creating a site

1758
01:16:29,620 --> 01:16:26,270
for so long when you're dealing with

1759
01:16:31,420 --> 01:16:29,630
anything that's beyond the norm and

1760
01:16:33,100 --> 01:16:31,430
you're dealing with aliens and UFOs and

1761
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:33,110
you're dealing with ghosts and you're

1762
01:16:37,870 --> 01:16:35,210
dealing with psychic phenomenon this

1763
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:37,880
imagery that you have is black it's

1764
01:16:43,900 --> 01:16:40,850
purple it's these dark colors and it's

1765
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:43,910
strange alien stuff and it's stars and

1766
01:16:48,939 --> 01:16:46,790
it's all of that no one in a long time

1767
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:48,949
has approached it from this professional

1768
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:50,930
point of view that makes it okay for

1769
01:16:56,110 --> 01:16:54,080
people to like it you know if if I'm not

1770
01:16:58,240 --> 01:16:56,120
into the paranormal and suddenly I come

1771
01:17:00,250 --> 01:16:58,250
across a site I'm not gonna run away

1772
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:00,260
screaming saying Oh what did I just see

1773
01:17:06,130 --> 01:17:03,010
that was creepy no it's it's pretty

1774
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:06,140
right because we're trying to make it

1775
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:08,449
that way and make it so it's okay to

1776
01:17:14,260 --> 01:17:10,489
talk about these things make it so

1777
01:17:16,240 --> 01:17:14,270
that's okay to donate um and not not

1778
01:17:21,310 --> 01:17:16,250
scare people away with you know skull

1779
01:17:23,770 --> 01:17:21,320
and bones images we really want this to

1780
01:17:26,590 --> 01:17:23,780
be a thing that people say okay yeah

1781
01:17:28,780 --> 01:17:26,600
this is a professional site people you

1782
01:17:30,130 --> 01:17:28,790
know I can put my my thing up there my

1783
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:30,140
project and people will take it

1784
01:17:34,020 --> 01:17:32,570
seriously and I think people have to

1785
01:17:35,860 --> 01:17:34,030
realize that the notion behind

1786
01:17:38,170 --> 01:17:35,870
crowdfunding is that you're not asking

1787
01:17:41,410 --> 01:17:38,180
for a hundred bucks I mean you know

1788
01:17:43,390 --> 01:17:41,420
thousand people donate a dollar or two

1789
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:43,400
then a project gets funded there's

1790
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:46,400
nothing wrong with donating a dollar you

1791
01:17:49,810 --> 01:17:47,810
know you might have a dollar and a half

1792
01:17:52,260 --> 01:17:49,820
right now sitting your paypal balance

1793
01:17:55,450 --> 01:17:52,270
will pick a project and send the buck

1794
01:17:57,340 --> 01:17:55,460
yeah yeah and you get stuff for that

1795
01:17:59,979 --> 01:17:57,350
buff you get stuff for that five dollars

1796
01:18:03,310 --> 01:17:59,989
and I spend five dollars you know

1797
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:03,320
getting my coffee my Starbucks which I

1798
01:18:07,990 --> 01:18:05,210
hate to admit but I get a medium latte

1799
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:08,000
right it's a daily thing that I get

1800
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:11,360
and winds up being like 375 425 attacks

1801
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:13,850
that's five dollars to a project that

1802
01:18:17,350 --> 01:18:15,890
could help somebody out and help to

1803
01:18:19,060 --> 01:18:17,360
answer some of the mysteries of life

1804
01:18:21,670 --> 01:18:19,070
that we're trying to figure out as a

1805
01:18:23,650 --> 01:18:21,680
group and to me it's like I can donate

1806
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:23,660
that little to somebody's dream and it

1807
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:26,810
in some small way contribute to

1808
01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:27,890
something that somebody is very

1809
01:18:31,660 --> 01:18:29,450
passionate about and wants to be

1810
01:18:33,820 --> 01:18:31,670
spending their own personal time working

1811
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:33,830
on that's a rewarding feeling for me

1812
01:18:37,390 --> 01:18:35,930
ultimately like I just I did something

1813
01:18:38,920 --> 01:18:37,400
good with that doll or as opposed to

1814
01:18:40,570 --> 01:18:38,930
like getting it to my cat but he rip it

1815
01:18:42,070 --> 01:18:40,580
up which did happen yesterday literally

1816
01:18:45,190 --> 01:18:42,080
my cat ripped up a dollar I could have

1817
01:18:47,050 --> 01:18:45,200
used that dog 800 he stole it and he

1818
01:18:49,900 --> 01:18:47,060
likes to rip things up so its way it

1819
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:49,910
works but that's that dollar going to

1820
01:18:55,180 --> 01:18:52,400
somebody's passion project to me i I

1821
01:18:57,070 --> 01:18:55,190
just feeling like I did something with

1822
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:57,080
that money that went towards somebody

1823
01:19:00,910 --> 01:18:58,880
else's like pursuit of happiness that's

1824
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:00,920
a good thing to an ear if it's a dollar

1825
01:19:04,330 --> 01:19:02,930
that's what comes down to do it you know

1826
01:19:06,430 --> 01:19:04,340
you'll feel better with yourself the end

1827
01:19:09,850 --> 01:19:06,440
of the day it's a good karma I mean it's

1828
01:19:12,730 --> 01:19:09,860
good karma anyway you dice it so um and

1829
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:12,740
you know i think the the one thing that

1830
01:19:17,140 --> 01:19:15,290
we have to wonder about is some people

1831
01:19:19,570 --> 01:19:17,150
like to remain anonymous i think some

1832
01:19:21,370 --> 01:19:19,580
people are so scared that oh well if i

1833
01:19:24,670 --> 01:19:21,380
call the radio show that they'll know

1834
01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:24,680
who i am that they quote unquote and in

1835
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:26,450
who's they you know some people say it's

1836
01:19:29,950 --> 01:19:28,250
the government's some people they I

1837
01:19:31,810 --> 01:19:29,960
don't want people to know that I'm I'm

1838
01:19:34,180 --> 01:19:31,820
researching this stuff or that I'm

1839
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:34,190
interested in it or you know and then

1840
01:19:41,710 --> 01:19:36,650
they're worried about it but you know

1841
01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:41,720
what nobody is people are not following

1842
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:43,370
our site we're not giving any

1843
01:19:49,510 --> 01:19:45,770
information out it's completely

1844
01:19:53,500 --> 01:19:49,520
anonymous donation from our I got you

1845
01:19:56,110 --> 01:19:53,510
guys don't share your chamber list you

1846
01:20:01,810 --> 01:19:56,120
don't sell it you mean our days in house

1847
01:20:04,330 --> 01:20:01,820
no yeah no way okay well I mean you need

1848
01:20:06,850 --> 01:20:04,340
a you need a name in order to take a

1849
01:20:09,700 --> 01:20:06,860
Visa card you know someone's someone's

1850
01:20:12,550 --> 01:20:09,710
donating five bucks to a project and so

1851
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:12,560
youryour name is on that sure well that

1852
01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:15,050
we are out of getting or out we are out

1853
01:20:21,500 --> 01:20:17,470
of time the fastest 90 minutes my gosh

1854
01:20:24,050 --> 01:20:21,510
did you guys so want to close up and

1855
01:20:26,990 --> 01:20:24,060
just tell people your site and we gotta

1856
01:20:28,370 --> 01:20:27,000
go sure good I've got nothing mark take

1857
01:20:33,470 --> 01:20:28,380
it off yeah thank you for an awesome I

1858
01:20:35,330 --> 01:20:33,480
got ya sorry go to WWF under calm right

1859
01:20:37,430 --> 01:20:35,340
now at the very front in the page if you

1860
01:20:40,430 --> 01:20:37,440
scroll down you will see professor

1861
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:40,440
Eric's project and it's right there it's

1862
01:20:44,540 --> 01:20:43,290
right on the front page and I say thank

1863
01:20:47,270 --> 01:20:44,550
you so much for having us on the show

1864
01:20:50,090 --> 01:20:47,280
Eric and on top of that you know donate

1865
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:50,100
to Eric's project because he's making

1866
01:20:56,210 --> 01:20:53,010
progress people are donating like we

1867
01:20:58,160 --> 01:20:56,220
said donate a buck donate five bucks he

1868
01:20:59,960 --> 01:20:58,170
will share the results with you and you

1869
01:21:02,030 --> 01:20:59,970
will hear the answers if we can raise

1870
01:21:04,490 --> 01:21:02,040
that money for him and I'm sure he'll

1871
01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:04,500
share them with you on his show that

1872
01:21:09,020 --> 01:21:06,900
sounds great well thank you folks this

1873
01:21:11,630 --> 01:21:09,030
has been our seventh edition of the show

1874
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:11,640
I look forward to seeing everyone next

1875
01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:13,530
week have a good night when we're think

1876
01:21:18,620 --> 01:21:16,380
it is true thunders radio live on IR in

1877
01:21:20,420 --> 01:21:18,630
every Wednesday 6 p.m. pacific 9 p.m.

1878
01:21:21,530 --> 01:21:20,430
easter tune in mark and I we like to

1879
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:21,540
have a nice time we like to talk to

1880
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:23,250
guests like Eric but I do encourage

1881
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:24,810
everybody to none listed or nonsense

1882
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:26,010
because we try to have fun with it and

1883
01:21:31,460 --> 01:21:28,080
be informative at the same time so truth

1884
01:21:34,550 --> 01:21:31,470
finders radio I are in Wednesday's p.m.

1885
01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:34,560
east rim yeah and we will be talking

1886
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:38,580
this week to people a certain ghost

1887
01:21:44,900 --> 01:21:40,650
hunter who visits the other side in

1888
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:44,910
order to relay psychic information so

1889
01:21:48,290 --> 01:21:46,650
it's gonna be a really really cool show

1890
01:21:51,230 --> 01:21:48,300
this week it sounds it's gonna know

1891
01:21:53,480 --> 01:21:51,240
certainly be listening I will see

1892
01:21:55,790 --> 01:21:53,490
everyone next week and as I save you